Chem killing 400k nw restarts with 2k acres

mrford

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Dec 18th 2010, 19:49:59

Valid strategy?

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Pain

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Dec 18th 2010, 19:51:51

depends on how much SDI the rest of the countries in the tag have.

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kemo

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Dec 18th 2010, 19:52:03

not so much. waste of chems

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Dec 18th 2010, 19:59:27

It is if you're killing the most active of thier hitters keeping them out of the war as much as possible.

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synoder

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:00:58

if all the bigger ones have 70% SDI and above is it better than not using them and losing them when your country is killed ;) It is far from ideal tho.

Kill4Free

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:01:47

Lets see, waste 180 chems a kill on a built country, or 40 ish chems on a 800k country.

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Kill4Free

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:06:04

Since the 180 chem kill, the big one will most likely log on before he is dead, making it all useless. The readiness can be used for anyone so we have to shoot them at something. Might as well shoot them at something that will die, and get readiness, as opposed to doing neither.

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:11:59

all of the above lol

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DM

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:15:56

I'd shoot em at the 400k NW country with 0 SDI. Get the most kills out of my chems. In the end, it's all about numbers anyways.

mrford

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:20:10

I'd dissagree

I'd much rather kill or seriously fluff up a breaker with 150 chems than kill 3 restarts.

While you are killing our restarts your breakers are getting fewer and fewer every day.

Don't matter if you have 300 more kills if you can no longer break the other clans tops, you will lose the war.

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DM

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:27:01

Well, if the breakers are going to defend 9 out of 10 chems, it would be senseless to waste them on the breaker. I'd be more willing to waste turns CD or SR the breaker then wasting chems that are just gonna bounce anyways.

mrford

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Dec 18th 2010, 20:28:43

That's why you cruise dump first!

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Bsnake

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Dec 18th 2010, 22:28:56

i cant belive people are still talking about this one....

its simple maths.....

why waste the chems on fails....

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Kill4Free

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:10:00

Originally posted by mrford:

That's why you cruise dump first!

Sooo, you fired 300 cruise missiles at my country in hope of weakening it, since then started 3 seperate kill runs on it as well, and it is still alive and killing you with very little inconveniance.

Meanwhile, we fire 40 missiles at an FA'ed restart, and he loses the 80 turns he had handy.

SO the 40 missiles we fired, did more damage then your 300 cruises, and 370 some odd other attacks on top of those.

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Bsnake

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:20:47

i was with ya there K4F....

your walling brings another another aspect to it.....

But you are correct about 300 missles and turns being wasted in that case....

Some people dont seem to understand a war with 300 countries is very different to ones with 50 or less....

NBK's stratagy is a long term war one..

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

kemo

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:27:04

i wouldtn dump the chems on a target with 50% or more sdi. the bigger the target with as little sdi as possible would get my chem vote. for an extremely active country and he has like 50% id cruise the fluff outta it then chem :P

you might be killin a restart with only 40 chems but how long will it take for the next one to get to that level compared to how long it takes a breaker to get to 5mil nw?

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Kill4Free

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:30:41

Kemo, after our FS, had a total of 19 chem kills. Those 19 kills were all countries in the entire clan that were under 70% sdi.

So use em on starts, or throw em away.

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Bsnake

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:36:23

just work out how many chems you wastse on high SDI countries and then work out how many lower NW countries you would kill....

This game has always been about the numbers, waste 1k missiles and 1k-2k turns killing nothing or get 20-60 extra kills. all means less tuns the other side has to kill with....

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

Ivan

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Dec 18th 2010, 23:52:46

Eh K4F im sure youve played this game for a long time so let me inform you that cruise missiles cant kill countries, nukes works the sameway so its not very suprising that either hasnt killed your countries yet

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gambit

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Dec 19th 2010, 0:03:47

so i guess its better to use your chems like this... instead of actually killing a country?... good to know... :P

http://www.eestats.com/ffa/country/2009

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Thomas

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Dec 19th 2010, 0:07:09

Kills means fluff. NW

gambit

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Dec 19th 2010, 0:15:36

well, i dont see anything wrong with the networth as of yet...

they were 90% mono techers... been preppin for war all set and loaded with spies...

of course they have slighty more net than we do :P

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Bsnake

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Dec 19th 2010, 0:23:04

NW means less in this server than 1a....

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

mrford

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Dec 19th 2010, 2:07:00

"slightly" might be a slight understatment :P

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Bsnake

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Dec 19th 2010, 2:10:46

there is a 900k NW difference....

NBK have a country advantage now, so what happens when SOF tag up there next lot of restarts???

With so many countries a 900k NW difference is not anything to be singing from the rafters about..

<bsnake> 68,270,386 turrets whats that in NW??
<Crippler> 115m NW
<Bsnake> 38 mill NW nub... thanks for your netting advice.. Stick to killing nub

mrford

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Dec 19th 2010, 2:15:25

I'm not saying sof is winning. Please don't misinterpert me.

I'm just saying that a 30% ANW gap is not a slight one

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NOW3P

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Dec 19th 2010, 9:38:41

even though this thread tastes a little trolly, I'll bite...

Completely depends on the countries killing. I could see a rare few situations where it would make good sense.....but honestly, not that many.

SoF's strategy of killing NW over chasing kills seems to be paying off though. It's now more like a %35 ANW gap....which is awful big in a war where neither side has 5mil ANW yet.

NBK definitely needs to start going after bigger kills, or they'll be out of this thing in a couple days as far as actually being able to "win" it....although given past history, they'll hang in no matter what, which does tend to pay off for 'em in the long run.

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Murf

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Dec 19th 2010, 11:12:26

this thread is pointless lol

vern

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Dec 19th 2010, 13:52:38

nbk is good at ankle biting, which is what they will be doing soon, and they will come here with some kind of theory why they are winning , oh and i like the news when nbk kills one of their own to steal a kill from Sof....lol like stats matter

synoder

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Dec 19th 2010, 14:34:53

lol yeah thats pretty lame. If a country is dead it doesn't really matter who killed it, it's still dead.

It's way too early to decide who is winning but SOF is doing a great job so far as is NBK. I think the week of Christmas will be the determining factor as I expect both sides will have a lot of inactives. So it may come down to who has the most people still hitting during that week.

Dizology

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Dec 20th 2010, 7:20:28

Originally posted by vern:

nbk is good at ankle biting, which is what they will be doing soon, and they will come here with some kind of theory why they are winning

You mean like that time AoDT said they beat us because the set ended with certain numbers in their advantage, but then the next set we FS them and tag killed within 2 days. A tag I'm yet to see again in FFA.

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Dec 20th 2010, 7:43:35

in that case diz NBK lost the battle but then went and won the war :)

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synoder

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Dec 20th 2010, 11:55:34

NBK doesn't lose battles, we just play mind games with you and let you get overconfident and then kaboom! You're dead.

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Dec 20th 2010, 12:08:46

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Kill4Free

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Dec 20th 2010, 13:12:23

Although in the NBK vs AoDT war, NBK did kill more NW, but AoDT had more kills, and AoDT argued that they won cause it was the kill counts that matter, would be funny if Maki argues the opposite now :P

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Dec 20th 2010, 14:32:05

Originally posted by Kill4Free:

100% sure he will argue w/e he thinks makes him right in any situation. egos demands it :P

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aponic

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Dec 20th 2010, 15:08:14

TAG kill will probably prove this contest. Looks like it is pretty neck and neck now

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Kill4Free

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Dec 20th 2010, 15:24:00

You guys have to survive for another month first :P
With only 140 countries out of protection, you have a lot less then half of what you started with (We have no problem finding targets to break either). And your HPK is dropping like a rock too, now that you gotta target our active members cause those are the ones who have mains left ;)

And if we were only killing restarts like some of your fellows claim we do, your AVG NW would go up, not stay the same / slowly fall.

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NOW3P

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Dec 20th 2010, 15:52:50

In all fairness, those 60'ish restarts are really dragging down SoF's ANW. They have some pretty sexy breakers....if you guys don't get to work on 'em soon, they're gonna make you pay for it.

Cheers to the dude running the 1170 string for that kinda NW in the middle of a war. I just hope the low land doesn't come back to haunt you carrying all that NW.

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Dec 20th 2010, 16:09:17

They only have about 100 originals left outta the 313 they started with, it isn't as if we arent killin em. (I think we have 120 ish Originals left).

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Kill4Free

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Dec 20th 2010, 18:01:30

Ah here it is, one of the many AoDT'er posts... Ill pick the one was was dissing NBK most vocally so far.

Originally posted by mdevol:

you killed more nw because you guys simply didnt have nw to kill...and you understand that because you had some odd strategy of trying to stay tiny and out of range for us to hit? or so you claim.

the stats you use are laughable.

coutries left at end of set, nw killed, hahaha

look at hpk and total kills and total hits like its used in EVERY war as a measure who won.

i still havent seen those complete stats yet. but i can imagine it would tell a different story than you are.

http://forums.earthempires.com/...quote=45532#posting_table

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Billyjoe of UCF

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Dec 20th 2010, 18:08:18

idk... i'm pretty sure nbk will win out strong here. they are pretty solid in the art of carrying wars for ever.

Murf

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Dec 20th 2010, 20:39:59

why would they want to carry this war on past this set?

sof isnt aodt, we dont carry eternal grudges, we fight who we have to at the end of the set it's done and dusted

Kill4Free

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Dec 20th 2010, 20:42:49

SOF is AoDT, like over a third of all countries. And Maki is there too, not to mention Twiz.

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Billyjoe of UCF

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Dec 20th 2010, 20:59:18

i didn't say past this set. i just meant they will fight from oop to end of set. if they do carry it over good for them those killers get bored if not!

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Dec 20th 2010, 21:11:00

Originally posted by Murf:

why would they want to carry this war on past this set?

sof isnt aodt, we dont carry eternal grudges, we fight who we have to at the end of the set it's done and dusted

Just because SoF doesn't carry grudges, doesn't mean NBK doesn't/won't. Even if you have 0 AoDT in SoF next set, Twiz and Maki are elsewhere, I still wouldn't be shocked if NBK warred you :-P

Not that I have any say in the matter one way or the other. Just trollin =]

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mdevol

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Dec 20th 2010, 21:23:19

Originally posted by Kill4Free:

seems like its you guys that are already changing your stance about what classifies as a win? nice use of the quotes...

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mrford

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Dec 20th 2010, 21:40:22

Originally posted by Kill4Free:

SOF is AoDT, like over a third of all countries. And Maki is there too, not to mention Twiz.

Actually there are a ton of Sof alliance members in SoF FFA

but doom was mainly AoDT yes

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Kill4Free

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Dec 20th 2010, 22:03:36

If you read my posts mdevol reguarding this war, I never made any statement in any on direction about kills vs NW killed.

I was just posting your post, where you countered yourself...

And the quote you made of me, was saying maki/aodt changes their opinion, that wasnt my opinion it was yours.

As for stance, the way it is going you have to admit we won the last war, or are easily winning this one, you cant argue differently for both....

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