i think there would be a few farmers and cashers in the top 10 range along with the techers ;P

Unfortunately, I feel like "legit-ness" is going to be a lot more questionable, especially as people who see nothing wrong with buyouts have their friends do mini-buyouts throughout the set at less noticeable prices. Being able to sell at 10% higher than the competition adds up, and it doesn't take alliance-wide support to be effective.

legit top 10, 188m
top 25, 163m
top 50, 145m

The tech market was insane this set. almost any techer should have been able to hit 150+

I think all-x to 10000 acres and went demo techer you probably coulda hit 180+ perhaps....tech was 4000+ forever

My best guess is that half the current top ten isn't legit. Of course that will change as the set goes on, but I wonder if anyone will confirm my suspicions.

all four Omegans in the current top ten are legit but not all of them will stay up there.

yes techer did very well this set and I think there will be at least 3 legit countries that will top the highest legit last reset.

and i'm still standing by the prediction that silver will win, albeit extremely illegitimately.

Well laf's top country is legit(or the top one at the end of the set will be anyways) I'm legit! But I wont be top 10 since I didnt do rock paper scissors right and select techer.

If you grab your tag you aren't legit, at least by my definition.

techer is like dynamite...it always wins

I agree with ^

not sure if you're referring to mine, but that only happened because of a Sol topfeed during their war with Imag. I let another person do the retal to maximize how much we took back, and I took back what I lost plus a marginal gain from ghost acres. I guess if you want to call that illegitimate, although I don't think that would've made a difference on my finish in the long run...

My definition of not legit is when another alliance member sacrifices the good of their country for the good of yours. In that case, this didn't happen since otherwise I would've just taken the retal myself and the retaller would've gotten nothing.

Laf's top country will not be a techer ;-)

will LaF's top country even be top 10? Not trying to troll, honest question

Yes? Have you not looked at the top 10 land this set? A certain laffer led it for almost the entire set. I'm sure he will end up top 10. Unforunteatly I dont think we did much in the way of techering but we shall see about others :P

hrmm I haven't looked at it in a while. I was going off memory and my earlier post on this thread that EVO/LaF seemed really landthin all set..

I've also seen/heard pretty solid evidence of some massive FA within SoF; not to say that's going to any of the countries that are going to finish T10 but...

LaF's top guy (LT???) will have a very good finish (if he doesn't screw up the destock).

Mr. Silver should win.

If I had to break down the top 10 by alliance, I would go with:

EVO: 1 (Go EVO!!!) :P
LaF: 2
Omega: 2
SoF: 2
RD: 3

I think the top 3 right now will stay in the top 10:

m0m0 Candle Beggar
highrocking around the xmas tree
GoodScoresSoF

there was a good bit of FA from SOF this set

it wasn't in any way going to netters though that i can tell you

we'll see in the end.

And why was all this FA happening Ford? And any proof it wasnt going to the netters? Personally i expect the least legit finishers which are unnamed by me to have gotten FA as well :P Not implying sof with that one either ;)

Why would we FA other netters?

SoF hasn't FA'd anyone within SoF this set.

I'm sure you guys are smart enough to figure out the rest without flaming but I could be wrong

That's not true

a few members FAed the idiot nub that I solokilled

the rest was sent to another clan obviously

i will totally finish top #10 chevs and ford...:p

wait... bottom 10.

/humps dragonlance

Yea we FA our NW away to dragon !!

If you want qz i can give you site access for a minute and you can see where the FA was going with your own eyes instead imo making rather stupid assumptions

or you can use your modness and actually look, and hey if you do find something be sure to let me know cause theres is none that I know about and i havnt heard a whisper about it but im sure your spy in sof knows more about sof then I do at least thats what it sounds like from your post

So because some evo members grabbed an evo country that was about to detag- everyone is branded with the same brush? But when several members of SoF participate in a buyout/market manipulation or whatever it was, that is perfectly ok, because you personally didn't benefit?

Great logic.

BTW my above post has nothing to do with SoF this reset. I haven't looked at your countries to be honest.

When did I ever say that it was ok anywhere?

really ano, im getting so tired of you its not even funny

either A learn how to read or B stop trolling

ignorance of either of them will lead to a tag kill

and thats a promise

Also I find it quite rich that baseless claims like that are made towards evo, and then when we retort we get threatened...

You said SoF have played more 'legitimately' than Evolution, LaF and various others, yet you base that on a few individuals. It's not a difficult concept to understand. If certain SoFers last reset participated in 'illegitimate' acts then the whole of SoF would be branded illegitimate, that is, if I was using your logic.

Secondly, how can you be tired of me? I've spoken to you twice all reset. I have 189 posts to my name. I am truly the greatest troll ever. Kudos, to me.

it's 190 :P

Ivan has consistently said he didn't agree with the buyout since it happened. That's why he's calling you a troll. Your post was just plain wrong, any way you look at it.

Confirmed! Ivan hates buyouts and American Football.

I'm a troll, because I clearly >started< referencing other alliances in order to justify my own alliance's achievements?

If you're going to say that you don't regard a country that has grabbed it's own tag or got FA etc. as legitimate and brand the whole alliance with the same brush then shouldn't you do the same with your own? My point is simply consistency.

Just because I don't agree with everything you say does not make me a troll. Give me a break.

one ninety one!

...

well these are the most conspicuous of the playtimes; note the A loses nw, B gains pattern most of the time; or a massive increase as if to hide a transfer.


Please note these are all using Evo's playtimes tool ^^

Dec/23/10 8:25	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	3,803,299	-33,486
Dec/23/10 8:25	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	+22,292

Dec/24/10 7:20	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,491,298	-28,181
Dec/24/10 7:20	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	2,275,947	+16,039

Dec/25/10 7:10	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,712,691	-15,431
Dec/25/10 7:10	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	2,588,396	+15,989

Dec/26/10 5:40	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	6,453,431	-26,183
Dec/26/10 5:40	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	2,504,256	+17,763

Dec/27/10 5:45	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	6,099,291	+13,452
Dec/27/10 5:45	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	3,220,214	+22,101

Dec/28/10 5:20	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,773,069	-64,456
Dec/28/10 5:20	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	3,473,342	+17,715

Dec/29/10 23:35	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,991,618	-20,027
Dec/29/10 23:35	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	4,833,398	+26,308

Dec/31/10 4:25	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	6,236,639	-33,362
Dec/31/10 4:25	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	5,545,321	+17,599

Jan/01/11 2:50	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	6,187,633	-95,560
Jan/01/11 2:50	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	5,799,450	+17,560

Jan/02/11 3:45	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	6,493,744	-16,818
Jan/02/11 3:45	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	7,168,587	+17,044

Jan/03/11 4:25	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,822,522	-16,028
Jan/03/11 4:25	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	6,413,429	+16,295

Jan/04/11 2:30	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,941,744	-15,921
Jan/04/11 2:30	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	7,611,534	+16,124

Jan/05/11 2:00	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	5,913,187	+168,650
Jan/05/11 2:00	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	7,692,063	+38,693

Jan/06/11 1:00 	m0m0 window peeper (#81) 	7,649,212 	+1,462,851
Jan/06/11 1:00 	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364) 	11,426,926 	+60,903

Jan/07/11 1:15	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	7,903,972	+1,367,236
Jan/07/11 1:15	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	12,128,764	+30,312

Jan/08/11 1:45	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	8,048,526	+39,541
Jan/08/11 1:45	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	12,057,860	+27,725

Jan/08/11 23:55	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	7,694,760	-112,056
Jan/08/11 23:55	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	11,635,319	+15,965

Jan/09/11 22:05	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	8,506,651	+976,931
Jan/09/11 22:05	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	12,530,526	+18,829

Jan/10/11 22:45	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	8,270,330	+243,961
Jan/10/11 22:45	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	12,576,383	+16,210

Jan/12/11 1:45	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	10,669,006	+2,580,483
Jan/12/11 1:45	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	16,029,682	+14,621

Jan/13/11 3:10	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	10,107,582	+747,758
Jan/13/11 3:10	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	15,085,541	+14,032

Jan/14/11 1:10	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	10,987,617	+2,189,056
Jan/14/11 1:10	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	16,431,017	+14,316

Jan/14/11 23:20	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	11,511,951	-174,514
Jan/14/11 23:20	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	17,439,440	+13,879

Jan/15/11 23:30	m0m0 window peeper (#81)	11,290,785	+1,256,430
Jan/15/11 23:30	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	16,963,588	+14,005




Jan/08/11 19:50	m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77)	7,861,399	-26,599
Jan/08/11 19:50	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	11,523,153	+172,632

Jan/10/11 0:30	m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77)	8,523,703	-23,854
Jan/10/11 0:30	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	12,663,848	+30,213

Jan/13/11 17:50	m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77)	11,037,058	+5,529
Jan/13/11 17:50	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	16,224,640	+32,562

Jan/14/11 16:50	m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77)	11,550,737	+512,459
Jan/14/11 16:50	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	17,394,837	+30,812

Jan/15/11 18:20 m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77) 	11,580,842 	-24,056
Jan/15/11 18:20 m0m0 Pot Licker (#364) 	16,923,483 	+30,585

Jan/16/11 18:25	m0m0 Meat Hooker (#77)	11,715,214	+26,839
Jan/16/11 18:25	m0m0 Pot Licker (#364)	17,001,155	+29,284

also note the constant 17k nw increase; that indicates about 17M bushels (1000 bushels per nw) on average

I'm just saying what you said was dead wrong. You said he was justifying the buyout because he didn't benefit from it. Major fail.

I was saying that he was trying to justify sof's achievements above all others just because he personally didn't agree with the what evo/laf did.

Tell me how I am wrong? Are you going to tell me now that no sof leader stated in this thread that sof have played more 'legitimately' than other netting clans this set and in previous ones?

P.S. My only failing was trying to point out the hypocrisy floating around.

Pfft. I don't read half of the garbage on this forum and I only skimmed this thread. :)

you can't hide from qz ;)

Actually, if I remember correctly, our playtimes tool was mostly written by me. It's pretty reliable when looking for FA packages.

haha same thing ;P

i know you guys have lot of tools (same with LaF). we've long learned all the dirty tricks people use to try to gain an unfair advantage in netting and already automated the fluff out of detecting such things ;P

hence why we are hardcore netters

that's pretty awesome...care to share the tools =)

I wish we had that. Are those the only countries that came up? I find it hard to believe that's the only possible FA in the alliance game.

I'm too lazy to calculate it, but is that really "massive fa" if 2 or 3 countries were involved?

Considering that SoF has netted i think 5 times since 04 yes im positive that my statement that SoF is more legit in netting then laf or evo

every single set ive found fishy actions

And 100 of those posts are about things you have no idea about, Also im tired of your bullfluff that im supporting FA chains and what not EVERYONE knows that I dont, heck I dont even support topfeeding that evos been whining about for as long as I can remember

Either way like i said im sick of your fluff and no im not changing my previous statement, evo leaders really should keep you off the boards and definately away from doing FA with me

Ivan

lol ivan stop BSing. I'm in laf and unless its flying pretty far under the radar everything they say is that they don't like any of the BS. From what I can tell all of Laf's finishes since I got there have been legit.

Qz posted what he did because apparently 3 SoF FAs demanded that he post proof or apologize. I'm not sure why you're blaming the victims rather than the people who cause trouble for you and actually work against your interests, Ivan.

Our FA tools aren't 100% automated. If you want to know who else received a lot of FA, ask LaF or do your own research. No one in the top ten really stands out to me except for #193 and #364, and what would be the point of checking if #193 received FA?