Why?

Where?

Private matter. 2/3 of it in the news. If they choose to bring the matter to AT we'll gladly troll them for all to see, but in the meantime this is between us and them.

short version:
there are issues.

Why not?

K, cool.

Just something to put on our history board, is all...

They refused to make fun of detmers pee pee...

i will

Who?

Looked like something along the lines of PDM1 country missiles KSF country, PDM1 farms PDM2, KSF country farms PDM1,PDM3,etc. and jumps into the t10.

I probably missed tyhings before and after

Was no missiles as I am aware of. More a retalling issue.

well ozzites version sounds like missile retalling versus unauthorised overretals

dont get why a farming b would be a problem though if there were no retals owing on b or b didnt start to grab afterwards

There was some farming back and forth between the 2 alliances. I am sure they were both trying to enforce so retal policies or something stupid. Then this happened(news goes bottom up):

short version: #670 starts farming/abing/missiling KSF while other PDM members farm him


Jun/28/11 2:34:53 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 160 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:13 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 163 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:13 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 166 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:13 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 170 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:13 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 174 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:12 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 177 B
Jun/28/11 2:34:07 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 182 B
Jun/28/11 0:57:52 SS Orifice Space (#473) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 35 A 35 A
Jun/28/11 0:57:48 SS Orifice Space (#473) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 82 A 82 A
Jun/28/11 0:57:42 SS Orifice Space (#473) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 83 A 83 A
Jun/28/11 0:55:39 SS Orifice Space (#473) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 120 A 120 A
Jun/28/11 0:55:30 SS Orifice Space (#473) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 122 A 122 A
Jun/28/11 0:52:21 SS seXMen (#380) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 226 A 226 A
Jun/28/11 0:52:19 SS seXMen (#380) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 233 A 233 A
Jun/28/11 0:52:17 SS seXMen (#380) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 301 A 301 A
Jun/28/11 0:52:14 SS seXMen (#380) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 312 A 312 A
Jun/28/11 0:51:54 SS seXMen (#380) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 323 A 323 A
Jun/28/11 0:37:40 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 193 B
Jun/28/11 0:37:38 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 197 B
Jun/28/11 0:37:05 PS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) Defence Held
Jun/28/11 0:32:48 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 208 B
Jun/28/11 0:32:45 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 213 B
Jun/28/11 0:32:42 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 218 B
Jun/28/11 0:32:39 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 224 B
Jun/28/11 0:32:35 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 230 B
Jun/28/11 0:22:39 PS The Torn Hymenity (#672) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 551 A 551 A
Jun/28/11 0:21:57 PS The Torn Hymenity (#672) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 638 A 638 A
Jun/27/11 23:56:56 PS TheCuriousTasteofBenjaminsBottom (#413) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 452 A 452 A
Jun/27/11 23:56:32 PS TheCuriousTasteofBenjaminsBottom (#413) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 471 A 471 A
Jun/27/11 23:56:07 SS TheCuriousTasteofBenjaminsBottom (#413) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 406 A 406 A
Jun/27/11 23:55:46 SS TheCuriousTasteofBenjaminsBottom (#413) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 406 A 448 A
Jun/27/11 23:55:10 SS TheCuriousTasteofBenjaminsBottom (#413) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 420 A 463 A
Jun/27/11 23:40:03 SS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) Defence Held
Jun/27/11 23:39:07 PS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) Defence Held
Jun/27/11 16:37:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 224 B
Jun/27/11 16:37:39 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 230 B
Jun/27/11 16:37:35 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 235 B
Jun/27/11 16:37:22 CM THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) KSF (#205) (KSF) 20287 C 409 B
Jun/27/11 16:37:17 CM THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) KSF (#205) (KSF) 21873 C 425 B
Jun/27/11 16:36:57 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 240 B
Jun/27/11 16:36:57 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 245 B
Jun/27/11 16:36:51 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 250 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:45 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 253 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:45 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 259 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:45 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 264 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 269 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 276 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 281 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 286 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:44 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 293 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:43 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 300 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:43 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 305 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:43 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 311 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:42 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 318 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:38 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 326 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:38 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 332 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:37 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 338 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:33 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 344 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:29 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 352 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:25 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 359 B
Jun/27/11 16:35:21 AB THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Snowflake Capital (#674) (KSF) 366 B
Jun/27/11 16:34:43 PS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) 779 A 963 A
Jun/27/11 16:34:24 PS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) Defence Held
Jun/27/11 14:10:06 PS Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 120 A 120 A
Jun/27/11 14:10:02 PS Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 287 A 287 A
Jun/27/11 14:09:58 PS Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 294 A 294 A
Jun/27/11 14:09:50 PS Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 421 A 463 A
Jun/27/11 14:09:31 PS Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 437 A 481 A
Jun/27/11 8:39:49 PS Resovior Dogging (#519) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 876 A 942 A
Jun/27/11 8:39:22 SS Resovior Dogging (#519) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 620 A 732 A
Jun/27/11 8:39:13 PS Resovior Dogging (#519) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 1389 A 1622 A
Jun/27/11 8:39:06 PS Resovior Dogging (#519) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 1709 A 2091 A
Jun/27/11 8:38:59 PS Resovior Dogging (#519) (Paradigm) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 2195 A 2627 A
Jun/26/11 23:56:09 PS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Edgecrusher (#471) (KSF) 1335 A 1752 A
Jun/26/11 23:56:00 SS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Edgecrusher (#471) (KSF) 1174 A 1633 A
Jun/26/11 23:55:43 SS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Edgecrusher (#471) (KSF) Defence Held
Jun/26/11 23:54:56 SS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) 277 A 317 A
Jun/26/11 23:54:39 SS THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) Amsterdam (#202) (KSF) 423 A 511 A
Jun/26/11 18:19:36 PS Danish Pwnage (#722) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 403 A 497 A
Jun/26/11 18:12:31 PS KSFforever (#621) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 1016 A 1296 A
Jun/26/11 18:12:10 PS KSFforever (#621) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 2178 A 3053 A
Jun/26/11 17:58:00 PS Edgecrusher (#471) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 1249 A 1848 A
Jun/26/11 17:57:38 PS Edgecrusher (#471) (KSF) THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND (#670) (Paradigm) 1925 A 2989 A

At that point it had already gone to fluff, this player decided to be clever, and then donate his land to pdm before he got killed. Childish move on his behalf.

Seems more like the fault is on PDM for farming him while he suicided, but things were pretty fluffed up before that. Mostly looked like PDM farming KSF tho ;p

Ozzite: we were already prepping to fs when the ab run was started. Just meant we ended up with an extra headache. I don't agree with the farming, but knowing he was going to die anyways, people decided to take advantage.

It makes you guys look like douchebags regardless of what had happened before it. If someone detags and suicides it is one thing, but to stay tagged and get farmed by your alliance mates? You guys are just pushing KSF around because they are tiny.

Talk about the worst suicider ever. I hope whoever that was was booted from PDM, not from suiciding, but from sucking at it.

kill themmmm pdmmmmssssss

basically pdm had tried to farm ksf whole set, but miserably. PDM over retals a KSF grab. They then just ROR later suicide, finally FS.

Basically just their normal operation instead this time they were clever enough to do it to a smaller clan so they don't need to cry on AT about being tag killed.

There's a bit more to it. Nice job buying yourselves time to prep a FS though PDM.

toma: there's MUCH more to it.
But we'll let you keep playing innocent for now.
you guys over retalled as well, so you aren't entirely innocent either.
I agree our member was in the wrong, he double tapped when he shouldn't have, then you double tapped, then he double tapped thwn you guys farmed. we decide to prep for an FS, he decides to be a douchebag, and other members see it and profit.

drow, it'd probably be better to just let toma/detmer work this out privately and not get into a lengthy AT debate over it.

but yes, there was much more to the issues than the oversimplified note toma posted. This has been escalating for about 2 weeks :p

I gotta do something for amusement ;)

that was a conveniently selective depiction of the news by ozzite

ozzite: are you in MD?

because MD just farmed a KSF country like 20 minutes ago...
:p

Its KSF, does one even need a reason to kill those dweebs?

i bet it was Pang who fail suicided! :P

And Id say they should have been killed when they killed random untagged.

I love how PDM is so quick to whine about being 'bullied' but when they get into an exchange with a smaller alliance, they pull this.

As usual, LT goes off on something he has no clue about. =) Don't worry, we don't plan on justifying ourselves to you =)

Nah, I am in Evo. I am also playing All-X so I haven't been farming anyone :)

I am sure things are more complicated, it just is hard to not look like asses when you have someone suicide from your own tag while getting farmed ;-P

for my bonus post this week, i'd like to announce that i'll be FS'ing Ozzite.

I will also be policing for myself and Ozzite, so feel free to farm him, but leave me alone.

with more then 1/2 the server on war DNH , pact a couple friends and you have no land to grab. you have to do what you have to do for land.

not the power of the BUTT!

i blame detmer.







for the NFL lockout.

. . . nd a lot of other stuff.

I'm pretty sure Detmer is responsible for my air conditioner flaking out and for most of the door dings on my car. Oh, and for the cholera epidemic in Hatti.

Always cool to farm an alliance at war.

#670 suicider on KSF is tagged Paradigm again

uh kill it ?

This thread is full of intrigue, angst, and fluff. All the good things I look for. ;P

I bet that was TehFloyd :p

"as earthempires spin"
New on ABC

sound more like something fox would show.

go KSF go! fluff PDM!

Over look that farming thing..no biggy..

so who is responsible for the NBA ?

Not me. I don't give a fluff about basketball... they can do whatever they want.

what LT said

what detmer said

saying "there's more stuff" but then not saying what it is doesn't really do it for me. it'd be like LaF and RD getting away with their stuff by saying "oh there's more to this but we're not discussing it." so yeah, what LT said.