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Crippler ICD

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Jul 3rd 2011, 2:01:01

cant get the food past 41.. really ? lol

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Rockman

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Jul 3rd 2011, 2:09:36

I'm not done stockpiling land yet.

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Jul 3rd 2011, 3:30:00

Give it time, Cripp. ;D

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Jul 3rd 2011, 4:07:05

it's climbing, a bit slow,,,, but......lol

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Crippler ICD

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Jul 3rd 2011, 4:13:28

no way cx :P lol

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Jul 3rd 2011, 7:57:26

Stockers cant get it up ;)

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Ozzite

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Jul 3rd 2011, 8:45:43

yeah...I might have just put 800M bushels on the market...sorry cripp ;p

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Jade Penn

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Jul 3rd 2011, 13:17:33

LOL, it's a simple deal. You buy more military and tech and we buy more bushels.

Angryjesus

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Jul 3rd 2011, 14:34:58

don't think we'll see it get higher than 41 this set

Ozzite

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Jul 3rd 2011, 15:10:15

Originally posted by Angryjesus:

don't think we'll see it get higher than 41 this set

Food will be at least 50 in about 1 week :D

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Jul 3rd 2011, 15:24:20

Go cashers!

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Rockman

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Jul 4th 2011, 16:17:29

Food got up to $41 a couple days ago, but now there's a few hundred million at 39 that no one is buying. It was climbing, but its falling back down now.

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Jul 4th 2011, 19:48:33

1,8bille food at $40 on the market right now...

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Jul 4th 2011, 20:47:47

Yeah, Too much food in the game, I demand untagged teams go around and clean the game of low defense farmer scum :)

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Dragon

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Jul 4th 2011, 21:47:21

I'm getting fat(ter) on cheap food. Yummmmmm....

Crippler ICD

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Jul 5th 2011, 0:33:37

and off me :P

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Rockman

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Jul 7th 2011, 2:27:34

I can't even keep food prices at $40 :(

Ozzite, jeez man, stop selling already!

Tin Man

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Jul 7th 2011, 2:47:35

*hint hint* It's the wars

WOP

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Jul 7th 2011, 6:18:25

sup Crip!

Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 6:17:35

100m bushels at $43
Not sure how much is at $44

And my democracies haven't even started stocking food yet :(

Tin Man

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Jul 9th 2011, 13:05:58

I've sold quite a bit @ 43 =/

Chaoswind

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Jul 9th 2011, 14:14:00

me too

but a homo flooded the market with 1B bushels at $42 last night... all the time wasted clearing $42 bushels with my demos :(

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Ozzite

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Jul 9th 2011, 14:14:30

I'm not selling fluff anymore...FOOD GO UPPPP

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Dragon

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Jul 9th 2011, 17:06:02

WOP? Really?!?!?

Chaoswind

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Jul 9th 2011, 18:31:26

UP!!!! :)

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Dragon

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Jul 9th 2011, 18:34:07

HEY MAN.......... Leave me summa those cheap bushels. Help a brother out here!

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Jul 9th 2011, 18:35:41

wop, where the hell have you been :P

Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:02:47

Originally posted by Watertowers:

Some big farmers that I wont name are really making a killing this time around. ;)

making a killing? At $44 per bushel, a casher makes more than a farmer of the same landsize.

Dragon

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:04:52

Indeed they do! Rep Casher FTW!

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:05:24

Actually I guess a Demo Casher might be better.

Ozzite

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:07:06

All self-respecting big farmers have also started stocking :-P

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Ozzite

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:07:39

But buy the bushels while they are cheap. They are shooting up to 50 just like I said ;p

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 19:13:24

Originally posted by Rockman:

Originally posted by Watertowers:

Some big farmers that I wont name are really making a killing this time around. ;)

making a killing? At $44 per bushel, a casher makes more than a farmer of the same landsize.

I take that back

A fascist farmer with 228% agricultural tech and 160% each business and residential tech makes about $95 per acre in tax income and 13.9 bushels per farm. At $44, they're making $611 per farm, plus the 95 from tax income. A casher only makes a bit over $600 per acre. So at $44, a fascist farmer is ahead.

A non-fascist farmer, though, makes about $125 per acre in tax income and about 12 bushels per farm, which at $44 is $528, putting them about equal to a casher.

So I'd say that with food prices at $44, fascist farmers are making slightly better than a casher (but definitely not a killing), and non-fascist farmers are basically even with cashers.

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:00:00

a demo farmer with almost maxed agri (call it %241) makes more then a fasc with almost maxed tech (228%). the demo will suffer about 2% less on the tech side (demo 243% tech fasc 230% + 15%) but the demo isnt losing $2.6 per bushel.

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:01:52

Originally posted by Pain:

The fascist isn't loosing $2.6 per bushel either, since they are stockpiling the food rather than selling it.

And the bonuses multiply, so 2.3*1.15=264.5% boost, so a fascist still produces about 10% more than a democracy.

Pain

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:04:25

yea i wasnt sure if thats how the bonuses worked.

but if the farmer isnt selling it then are you accounting for the fact that a casher has to pay tax twice on the same bushel when a farmer only pays once (or none)

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:07:13

Originally posted by Pain:

If the casher is democracy, it doesn't have to pay tax on that bushel.
If the casher is theocracy, it does pay tax on the bushel, but it then doesn't have to do a government switch to destock as a theocracy (and all farmers have to do a government switch to destock as theocracy).

Pain

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:13:33

so are you saying demo/theo/rep cashers all make more then a farmer?

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:16:37

Originally posted by Pain:

so are you saying demo/theo/rep cashers all make more then a farmer?

It depends on the food prices, but at $44, I'd say the farmer is ahead if it has good business and residential techs. Its still pretty close there, though.

And if the countries are under 40k acres, the farmer has the advantage that it can build CS while stocking, allowing it to make a faster switch to TMBR, whereas the casher has to cash its turns while stockpiling. If you're over 40k acres, its just too expensive to switch to TMBR, regardless of your bpt.

And food prices are up to $45 now. But there's 3 billion bushels sitting there at $45.

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:33:49

Yeah... First road blockachieved... But should be possible to lemming that fluff, give the server a day :) or 2

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Pain

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:34:01

still seems like the farmer will alyways be ahead. assuming both countries can get away with no or low military and the farmer has a decent amount of bus/res the casher still has to pay $44 a bushel for food it isnt stocking (food used) and on 40k acres i bet youre losing 20-25k per turn with that much population.

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Chaoswind

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:40:13

Pain more like +36K a turn with decent defense.

I remember years ago I had a 28K acres casher and I was paying a bushel per acre and I didn't have a buckload of defense... Then again I had a buckload of spies :/

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Pain

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:45:53

well i know if you have defense its alot. my 20k acre rep cashers with max tech and 5m tr/tur are losing over 20k, they also have some agri tech but i dont think agri does anything unless you have farms built. at least it doesnt seem to.

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:46:54

Pain - but when food prices are just $40, casher would be ahead.

And food consumption isn't too bad. A 40k acre casher would be losing about 30k to 40k bushels per turn, or as high as 45k or so if they are a theocracy.

But they'll have only about twice as much population as the farmer, assuming the farmer has good residential tech, and they'll have the same size military, so the farmer will have about 16k to 20k bushels per turn lost at 40k acres.

That works out to about 0.5 more bushels per acre consumed by the casher, which takes away about $22 from their income per acre, which is pretty minor.

So, the conclusion is the same, $44 is pretty close to the tipping point where farmer becomes better than casher.

Chaoswind

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Jul 9th 2011, 20:58:30

You hear the man, time to get that fluff to $48

and PAIN :O

Agri tech does NOTHING if you don't produce food... so is a tech that ONLY farmers want and need... if you have that tech, sell that fluff

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Rockman

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Jul 9th 2011, 21:06:01

Originally posted by Chaoswind:

$48 you say? So what you're saying is that I should sell all of my food at $47 and you'll buy all of it?

Havoc

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Jul 9th 2011, 21:12:58

My farmers are making 8m cash per turn:)

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Dragon

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Jul 9th 2011, 21:20:43

After food, My cashers are making $13M a turn, Farm Boy. =P

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Jul 9th 2011, 21:54:46

My Oilers are making $50m a turn, selling my oil @ $650 :)

I just bought up the food market a bit though. And I hope to do some more of that as well :)

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