after a month of fun for both sides LaF/MD will cease all hostilities.

good luck to all parties!

Confirmed.

Congratulations to LaF on their victory!


Y-NoT
Foreign Minister
Moral Decay

I don't think it was fun for MD, just sayn'

Speak for yourself 8)

Agree with requiem. Doubt it was fun for MD:)

Was fun for me.
War is all I know.:)

Congratz on your victory Laf

Pride/MD

We like to win wars - but if we lose, we still have fun.

congrats to Laf

Academus/MD

I disagree, but i am a soldier.

I won. On both sides.

after about 1 month of farm ?

from and old super vet back for his first set in years. we lost the war but we had a great time doing it.


congrats to LAF on there win

Setting aside the appalling reasons for going to war to begin with (as it has already been extensively outlined previously in posts with the scandalous logs) and the shame of having temporarily lost a valuable ally at the beginning of this set, I'd personally like to think MD for providing us a well fought war. We appreciate the time and effort you guys put in this set with the war. Let's hope that amidst all the finger-pointing and blame-games, we find a way to work together towards mending our relationship which has been wounded by all the lies, betrayal and deceit. I guess when things hit rock-bottom, the only way to go is up.

Once again, thank you all in MD for making this a fun war played in good spirit throughout. Well done by both sides.

Well, if you wanted relation to be better you should not farm them for a whole month.

I doubt they will be your ally soon, not because the FS, not because of war, reasons, logs etc. But because of the humiliation of farming them for a whole month.

This will prolly get back to you at a point ... they always did in this game!

what war?

Glad to hear those leaked logs have nothing to do with anything!

You make it sound as if we said "No" to a ceasefire at any point in time this war. Perhaps you know more than me in this case ;)

We fought against each other this war, it doesn't necessarily mean that we're always going to be enemies.

davidoss, are you arguing with yourself? o.O

Altought you did replied to yourself ... i see your point.

Du no other details about CF, but like i said - farming them for over 1 month ( and not killing ) tells a lot about the respect you have at a point for that alliance. Killing instade of farming would have make you look better ... in my book of values!

Don`t judge me to hard !!!

That's a reflection of the new restart changes.

Du no - may be the reflection of the "afraid to loose a valuable ally" and loose the ability to blindside any alliance at any given point | - * |

I'm not judging you Alin, I wasn't trying to question you or insult you. I was merely stating my point of view.

Firstly, we're netgainers.

Secondly, we were forced to war this set. Majority of our members were prepared to for a peaceful netgaining reset. We were never going to keep killing continuously out of spite. We did what had to be done, and that was all. Why labour on and push salt into a wound. We didn't enjoy doing this to people who we thought were our friends.

Yes, we were hurt, and wanted revenge after feeling betrayed. But no, we weren't going to keep killing out of spite.

Its obvious that LaF is in the wrong to some people no matter the circumstances or the facts in place.

I don't speak for LaF, but what they decide to do during the war is their business.

No one talked about our missile assault on our own countries, which is more important.

a) this is the reality of modern warfare, adapt or die. We adapted, the question is will you?

b) It isn't as though MD approached us for a CF any time during that month.

c) why is humiliating an opponent necessarily a bad thing? This is a tactic LaF likes using, as it creates disincentive to pick a fight with us in the future. As a stated in point (a) warfare has changed to make this tactic the MOST viable option, but even before the recent changes it was still a viable option and one that LaF utilized frequently. Not because we "need our land" or whatever other dribble you may make up, but because of the reasons stated in the first half of this point.

You the man!!! so you humiliate people and after that you aproach them to resign pacts ?

Remember - no powerhouse lasted to long in this game - is how things are meant to be!!!

Out of here! not my problem - but i am at fault for not liking hypocrisy!

1. This isn't modern warfare... it's a game. Don't campare the two.
2. As an MDer, it sucked big time... but it is apart of the game and I still had fun pestering LAFs small countries.
3. What goes around comes around, one day LAF will be in our situation and it will suck for them too. Most of them will do what we did and just hit anything they can and still have fun.

GG LAF!

Eh? idk what you guys are talking about, farming is to try and netgain not to try and humiliate an opponent.

Most laffers like netgaining, so those that still have an opportunity to do so after a war is won are generally allowed to do so.

I cant remember rejecting peoples offers for ceasefires, yet alone on the ground of trying to humiliate them. If we were to reject a ceasefire it would be to give people the opportunity to netgain which was otherwise removed by whoever decided to war us.

today was the first day MD asked us for a ceasefire. and we agreed when they asked. if they wanted to CF earlier, they could've asked earlier.

last reset SOL asked for a CF after 24 hours, and we gave them one. i'm not quite certain of the point you are making exactly Alin. you make it sound like it takes one to ceasefire, both sides have to agree to one to make it happen. if MD wanted to war, we can't just pretend nothing was happening and ceasefire on our side.

MD/LaF relations will be solved between LaF/MD leaders and not SOL members ;) don't worry about us.

Well let me tell you smth Mr. Don Hanlong Of La Famiglia:

In my book of values farming an alliance, and not killing it`s humiliation. Also, in my book of values you should always respect your enemy - if you want to be respected.

And You just failed!

Alin
Over a decade proud member of RAGE, ARROW and SOL in that order.

just wondering Alin, did you just come back to this game?

the new reset changes make crippling restarts an option vs killing restarts. you should go look at them first ;P

it has nothing to do with respect or not. we respect all alliances. =) we fight the way we feel is the best to achieve victory.

Alin, unfortunately those are your sentiments. And you are free to feel the way you do. No one's going to hold anything against you for having your own opinion. But please try to understand that others may not share the same opinion you do with regards to the whole farmings vs. killing --> humiliation concept.

It seems like a valid war tactic of LaF to adapt to changed game rules. I do not think MD thinks negatively of their chosen war tactic of farming MD.

As a result MD started to put their own countries in DR to protect against it and allow for some growth, and thus also adapting to the new situation.

And as long as MD did not ask for a cease fire, then whats the problem? Seems to me like MD actively chose to pursue warfare while being in the situation they were in.

Err... I was obviously referring to "modern warfare" within the context of warfare in the game, not war in real life. Use your head...

Also, LaF has been doing this for years. Hell go back to 2003 to the LaF/PDM war, we were farming PDM after we had reduced their threat level there too. This isn't a new method for us so I dont' know why you are trying to act as though it is. However, this method has become EVEN BETTER than it used be given the restart changes, so if you expect us to stop utilizing it at this point then you are crazy



Good for you and your values. I think your problem is that you mistaken war in this game for "killing". No ware does it state that war needs to be conducted in such a way.

The best method of fighting a war is the method where you win. In the past that generally involved MOSTLY killing, because killing was the most efficient way to disable the enemy.

The fact that killing = most efficient method (previously) in no way implies that it is the only moral method to wage a war (if such a thing exists). Nor does it imply that you have to stick with the "killing method" should it cease to become the most efficient method to wage your war.

What exactly makes it more "moral" to kill vs. other tactics anyway? Because it is what people are used to? Give me a break...

I just wanted some land :P seemed reasonable to me ;)

Don is a title,

Don't need a Mr. in front of it.

You dont' call your doctor, Mr. Dr. SPAMYOURFACE

I've been in MD's situation before, and against LAF no less ;)

When I first became an Alliance leader my Alliance was FSed by LAF 3 days later due to problems with my predecessor. LAF was already at war with 3 other Alliances as well. The other 3 Alliances later surrendered to LAF but I chose not to. My alliance kept itself occupied taking out LAF restarts in our range.

That war allowed LAF and my Alliance to develop a healthy respect for each other and the very next set we became close allies. For many years following we were among the closest allies in the game.

I am still going to steal TOB though.

You're forgetting one thing Alin. The new restart changes. If we killed MD countries, they would restart with a country better than a BRed/ABed country, plus they would be harder to find as untag countries that can stock up discreetly.

From a warring point of view, farming MD was a way better choice.

Apparently that doesn't matter Xin, because killing is the only acceptable war tactic.

What makes no sense to me is the idea of morality in war. It's war for fluff sakes!

Anyways MD I think you showed great pride in continuing to fight, even after it became a farm fest. So congrats to you on that. I as a LaFer, look at that as a good thing and in no way humiliating. It really shows that you guys are a solid group to keep restarting and fighting together.

I am a bit sad I didn't get to send Mags that replacement Wendy's frosty. :( In the end good war, hope we can all just enjoy the game.

nice play there MDers,
you just give me a good dozed for my insomnia...

Best Regards,

DQ Blizzard > Wendy Frosties

pdm + imag vs md in 1 week. lets do this!

Classy as ever LaF.

Directed at req and duna..

Neither are in LaF, but stay bitter.

how does pdm and rival members have to do with LaF classy-ness? :D

Personally i think LaF did the right thing: kill breakers then farm. You kill a country that may represent a danger: if it doesn't anymore why give up on free landfarms?

With that being said, there would be other things i'd like to say, but MD has a strict policy about arguing on AT so i will refrain.

Hmmm detmer havent post..

btw, MD did a nice job:) You are second after LCN this reset.

2nd in ?

And what of it?

Detmer=PDM