If land:land retals are bad because they discourage grabbing, then don't escalating retals also discourage grabbing?

If you have a 1:1 retal policy, why should 2 hits get 3 retals instead of 2?

because you touch yourself at night

greediness is a sin, so the +1 retal (for 2 grabs) is Gods punishment ;)

Grabbing once isn't being greedy, but grabbing twice is?

yeah you should have only grabbed 1 boob, and had your other hand on her waist. when you grab both boobs with both hands your just a disgusting perve and you need extra punishment

1:1, 2:1, 3:Retal Run.

Rockman and I coined this term "Retal Run".

I am bringing it to the public of AT.

You're Welcome,

ZEN
Female Body Inspector
LCN

You coined that term. I did not. You're as dumb as IMP.

I tried to give you credit, you tool. Give some validation to your constant whining on every board.

But alas, to no avail.

Now we have to listen to your decade late ramblings with no actual contribution on your part.

Oh well. I guess I will take full credit. I got some RR to do. Makes me sound relaxed all the time. I like it.

ZEN
DUMB AS THEY COME
LCN

In other words you tried lying about me, and got caught?

Are we talking about definitions here? I know how wide your definition boundaries bend. So, sure. I lied (by definition) and said you coined something (that was awesome) when in fact you didn't (don't have the creative thinking for the task). Just trying to get people to like you more (besides mommy).

Pay no attention to the parenthesis'. Those go outside Webster's reach.

Tool.

rename this to escalating thread plz kthx

Chevs. Stop trying to cross tag retal.

Isnt it also dependent on pacts?
One issue with L:L is that sometimes it takes 3+ grabs to make up for a single grab. Escalating grabs are atleast a controled method of doing retals. Besides if you knew how to play your country you should be able to get your land back plus some in a single grab anyways.

Also, if retals were not escalating, how would you be able to deal with a country that grabbed you 14 times in a 7 day period? Just as an example.

Also, there were great wars in the past against L:L and the L:L side lost :P

If a country grabbed 14 times in 7 days, wouldn't 14 retals be enough? And if its not enough, what determines that 14 retals for 14 attacks isn't enough, but 1 retal for 1 attack is enough?

As for your arguments about land:land, why bring that up? I'm just asking why 3:2 is used rather than 2:2.

Its an example of past wars that have dictated what kind of FR enviroment that we are currently in. If wars panned out differently from the past, the way we look at certain retal policies today would likely be different.

It basicly comes down to what alliances believe is acceptable, and if they can back up those beliefs vs those alliance who do not agree with those beliefs.

It is my assumption that based over a period of time, that is a very general policy that is widely accepted because its what most alliance feel is acceptable right now.

I am just trying to explain why this kind of policy is used now a days, not the reasoning behind them (because there are a wide range of varying reasons to be given on why this is acceptable).

My reasoning to why I think this is the generally accepted retal policy is because its is an aggressive approach to dealing with retals that have been put in place by aggressive alliances who like to war.

Ah, that makes sense then.

I've come to the same conclusion, that war alliances determine the dominant retal policy of the server.

I'm more curious as to why these alliances have come up with the current retal policies than why these alliances are able to enforce these policies on other people.

its to make the point that 2 grabs in a certain window of time is a greater offense than 2 grabs done over a period of time greater than that window

i grab you day 10 and day 25 of the reset: two grabs, two retals
i grab you day 24 and day 25 of the reset: two grabs, three retals

but what if I'm more offended if you grabbed me on day 10 and 25 than 24/25? :P

Why should I be more offended by grabs on day 24 and day 25 than grabs on day 10 and day 25?

What Notorious said brings up the mind set that occurs after you make a successful grab.

It can take some effort to make that first grab. Figuring out amount of def their allies have, military and tech through successful spy opts.
After that you can grab the country (unless you want to attack blind). Now that you know what will break based on the losses given, you have a oppertunity to avoid using more turns by grabbing that same country for the same break. Its a much easier thing to do to make a grab after you know the break. Not 'punishing' that kind of behavior will make it habit forming against your alliance. Then you start getting double tapped all the time.

This goes back to grabbing within periods of time. Atleast when you grab on day 10 then on day 25, the time is spread out and military would of changed. Within a day the chances the break would change on that country is much less unlikely.

Sol tried to stop L:L and partially failed.

The way better land retal solution would be:

C:C, clan vs clan, wouldn't that mess people up if you only could retal 1:1, but could retal any country in their clan :X.

Escalating vs the country that did the lg or 1:1 vs the whole clan :X. It would make land land redundant as good lging would allow you to trade your land back :X.

SOL also partially won :P

One war doesn't mean you have won anything.

lol wtf with the old bumps

SOL partially won? SOL topfeed SoFs biggest country which happend to be helmet and then got run into the ground :D

Not sure what you won in that war :P

They don't discourage single grabs.

Sooooooooo thats why !!!!!

Rockman:

Paradigm retals 1:1 and only accepts 1:1 retals for cross country retals (when the retaller is not the country for whom the retals are being made).


:)

Although i should also add we do have some sort of escalation but it's only to protect from being farmed:

Paradigm escalates retals on an entire tag basis in a 48 hour window. The first six hits on Paradigm by any countries in another given tag to any countries in Paradigm will be retalled 1:1. The seventh, through twelfth hits from the same given tag against Paradigm will be retalled 3:1 each. Paradigm does not accept more than 12 attacks from any tag in a 48 hour window.

It was a moral victory Ivan.

THhhaaankk you.