Apr 18th 2014, 16:38:04
Originally posted by Cerberus:
That's the point, Tellarion, people need to at least cart their own loads. If you want to sit on your ass and do nothing all day then party all night, and live off the public dole, that's just wrong, but that is what a socialist government does.
Egalitarianism NEVER works. Instead of raising everyone up to a high level, it lowers everyone to the lowest common denominator.
There is NO incentive to work when you can have all your needs met by the state. The guy that works winds up paying for it all so there is an active deterrent to wanting to work and pay for a bunch of freeloaders. Follow that?
What needs to happen is the government needs to encourage more people to start working at something, whether it's making their own company, or working for someone else by making it not profitable to sit on your ass. You do that by having policies that prohibit people from living off the taxpayers for years upon years where they then become a whole society of people doing the same thing.
Egalitarianism NEVER works. Instead of raising everyone up to a high level, it lowers everyone to the lowest common denominator.
There is NO incentive to work when you can have all your needs met by the state. The guy that works winds up paying for it all so there is an active deterrent to wanting to work and pay for a bunch of freeloaders. Follow that?
What needs to happen is the government needs to encourage more people to start working at something, whether it's making their own company, or working for someone else by making it not profitable to sit on your ass. You do that by having policies that prohibit people from living off the taxpayers for years upon years where they then become a whole society of people doing the same thing.
Yes, I know all about public goods and the tragedy of the commons. I haven't seen anyone arguing for freeloading and egalitarianism in this thread. You guys are derailing what others have said and pushing your own extreme ideals. Wanting to raise minimum wage is not saying we should all live equally and rely exclusively on the government.
You know what I haven't seen mentioned so far? The inconvenient fact that the happens countries in the world tend to have very strong and/or 'socialist' governments. I would love to see some of you argue with a Dane about how they are just freeloaders and they don't deserve to be happy :)
Let's face it, the situation is the us is pretty damn fluffty, and we all spend our time blaming each other instead of fixing anything.