i will all reset run rigs, does this count?

trading farmer..

New changes with private market make this strat worthwhile? No?

It def, at least, makes stocking oil an option.

It depends how many people decide to use oil as a destocking method really :)

Risk reward strat, kinda like a casher who is dependent on the Bushels market. I can see some oilers doing really well, too bad there is no tech for Oil.

casher needs techs too (min. 2 pref. 5, landtrading casher needs 6).

has anyone calculated the market price to make stocking oil worthwhile? I'm too lazy to do the math right now..

Qz said $80 in another post...

im doing oiler...

any strat needs between one and x techs, unless not efficient then any number of techs will do but less than 99% chance of winning assuming anybody else maximizes tech to strat.

pardon me, i'm just going to point out the painfully obvious and then play coy when people continuously tell me i post and yet benefit nobody, ever, at all.

sixteen thousand and counting, yet about seven worthwhile?

Get out of here with your informative posts! :P

neal is grease.

Very interesting. I will see if anyone uses this to make a giant country

well casher needs busi and resi at least and sdi to stop at least some missiles if gets missiled and if is gonna grab land then military (to reduce expenses) and milstrat (increase gains) and weapon (reduce amount of military needed) and sdi (same as before).

techer grabber needs only 3 techs (military, milstrat, weapon) but sdi is good to have (and that applies to all strats).

i count five

I am, buy my damn oil

any oiler traders?

What is an oiler trader?

I think Dallas Eakins is still running them for now; maybe not for long :-/

pure oiler landtrader? get out of here, wouldn't work unless breaks would be low.

oiler has no tech giving boost to production and oiler would have troubles to get money.

I'll probably run some rigs with my farms and see what happens

$80 dollar oil is a good base to work from.
At $80/barrel your total cost to add the units to your private market is $3200 per 40 barrels ($80 * 40). Since you have a fixed output (30 troops, 25 jets, 25 turrets and 10 tanks, or 90 units) you can calculate your additional cost per unit at 35.55557..or $36/unit. The starting formula is: ($Price_Of_Oil * 40)/90:

So, at $80/barrel if you were to buy your troops off the private market with no military tech after by using your oil, you would be spending $180 per troop ($144+$36).

There's no fixed way after the initial formula, so you have to work from there. You need to factor in current bushels rates and see if it makes sense to stockpile/spend oil instead. There's a lot of comparing to do at this point; with your own private market, how cheap food is at the time, public military prices, etc. but that should get you started.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

schilling is gonna de/restock as demo?

I have the last few sets. That your way of saying "Don't forget about taxes?", Marshal? :P

yes i am, commy pays 88 bucks and non-demos pay 85 bucks.

Oil needs to be above $120 per barrel in order to be competitive with farmer at destock. That's an additional $74/NW, which is a pretty big hit.

i'm running half oiler half farmer and depending on how prices go i'll go 1 way or the other ... or i might just stay half half and pile the oil :)

also oil has to be over 170$ per barrel once the piling phase starts to compete with fascist farmer :)

you would think that industrial tech would boost oil production as well....is this possibly in the works?

you fellas also have to take wars into account, as last set there were few wars this set may have many wars...the cost of oil will climb undoubtedly, making it a viable strat for destocking

If you boost production without increasing demand, all that happens is prices fall.

allow us to sell oil on our private markets, thus creating a bottom for it like there is for food.

this allows demo to resell and oilers not to be beholden to purchasers, many of whom simply never buy or eventually stop needing?

Or, alternatively, take the bottom out for food and watch as everyone switches to oil :P

That isn't actually a horrible idea. All you'd need to do to make oiler viable is to lower the price of food to like $20 on the private market.

equalling farmer and oiler would do what comparatively against any other strat?

i'm asking here.. i have trouble counting past eight, and that itself is only doable because the good lord saw fit to give me two thumbs..

my logic being, reducing farmer to where oiler is now doesn't increase oiler, it only hurts farmer or strenghtens casher or techer (lets just go ahead and assume nobody is competing for the win on this server with an indy :p)

Right now, farmer is overly strong 'cause the bottom of the market is set artificially high. Oiler is weak in part because farmer is strong; there's no demand for oil 'cause it is safer to stockpile food.

There's now a real mechanic that relates to the market to provide a floor for oil, but it is still not going to be enough to make oiler viable since the floor is low enough that there's not enough reason to stockpile oil over food, as the floor for food is too high for there to be a balance between oil and food.

So, weaken farmer and let the public market balance the rest. It doesn't matter how in balance the rest are, generally, as long as the public market balances them out.

Weaken farmers? no... All you need to do is set an equal floor for oilers.

anyway the most profit from the change will be for techers which can jump even faster if they pile a little bit of oil when the prices are right

Always thought Indy tech "should" help oilers, its about one of the most heavy industry there is , whether at the drill sites, transportation and then to the heaviest aspect Refinery

any of you want to start trading pm me!