The angle at which it flipped to an organized religion discussion in 4 messages after that opening message is like actually hard to keep up with.

I'm a naturalistic pantheist (god is everything and nothing etc) but i do sympathize with more pessimistic philosophy like that of Jidda Krishnamurti. Although he's almost too disappointed, i align with those beliefs in conjunction with believing energy and matter are holy. Contrary to sin's point, I've found the unitarian church to be a rather fulfilling alternative. Agnostics have bake sales too. Its largely crusading that is bad, which is objectively what both atheists and theists do..... But damn....

....how that started and where we are now i cant even think to write 12 paragraphs like usual.....