While MD is currently sitting on some massive countries, technically the TNW of the server countries has surpassed MD.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...rvervs&warreport=Show

Anyone who is complaining about speed being too fast has never fought against heavy wallers such as Slash or Dragon. I guarantee you more people will quit (and have quit) after being in Warchats where you cannot kill people for days. It's not rage quit type quitting but rather a grind down of morale.

i can tell you that H4 has had exactly zero to do with RD as far as EE goes. he never even had an account on RDs site.

so anything he might have done 10 years ago i feel is irrelevant to whether he can be trusted today. people change, especially between the time they are teenagers to into their 30's.

TAN and Arsenal need to stop being dumb with respect to H4.

For his real life job, H4 needs to objectively look at situations and scenarios regarding more complex things than this game so his input on changes is valuable. He can also model country/mechanic changes using stats software so there's lots of obvious upside just with his skillset by itself. I can verify this skillset since we went to undergrad together and he went to grad school at the same school as my girlfriend.

I've known him IRL for a decade and trust him to put that relationship above any aspect of the game. We both have the same overarching feelings about LaF -- which is that we don't need to cheat to win and when we do it cheapens us and weakens us for the long term (see: this round). And we come to that conclusion by having seen both sides from the company we kept in our teens.

Like it or not, guys, we grew up a long time ago.

Regarding h4 and cheating - anyone who accuses h4 of cheating at any point in the last 5 years is an absolute moron. Even funnier is people still don't realize what happened between laf and rd despite the logs being posted over a year ago.

Look, I'm certainly happy that MD is back but I'm not happy you keep pointing to this revisionist history where EE happened secretly and you guys were unaware. Martian was a high-level leader alongside MD'ers in AE. He was on the staff team since the day the game was created. I remember reading a thread where MD leaders posted saying they are choosing to go play AE over EE the same day we announced EE, which was especially disappointing because I expected more tags to follow MD's lead. So your point that you "would have helped had you known" is bunk.

Don't believe me?
http://forums.utopia-game.com/...-will-be-in-Astro-Empires
and
http://forums.utopia-game.com/...ommunity-beyond-Jolt-quot
Post dated: Nov 4, 2011 -- one hour apart :p

Probably 75% of the mod/staff team is people who were working with us during those times one way or another -- building, testing, verifying formulas, updating sites and keeping the community together, etc. That's the staff core you're complaining isn't pure enough.

I've played more resets clean than you've played resets, period.

You have no proof of me cheating, if you did it would have been posted years ago. You have squat.

-We've had people run bots of 1800+ countries that completely tag killed major alliances in less than 24 hours (Vingthor on SOL).

-we've had entire alliances that were nothing more than bots being run by leaders in other alliances who were "close allies" to them (tiger).

-We've had people hack each other's real addresses for the purposes of issuing personal bomb threats.

I played for years and was heavily suicided (along with the rest of my alliance) every reset by scores of multies.

You act as though you are so hard done by. You know nothing. The cheating you've experienced is a joke compared to the cheating other suffered long before you were on the scene.

I never defending any cheating TC has done as "not that bad", I merely laugh at your stance that it is "the worst cheating that has ever happened". You lack experience and perspective which is why those that have seen the real big stuff laugh at your insinuations.

Lastly, there is a reason I'm a mod and your not. I helped build this game while you were no ware to be found.

You are in no position to lecture me, boy.

If you beef is with the game-admin team then it's also with me.

Cool, let me know when you're after me then, bro.

"Oh look its martian having a go at me. "

True story bro

"Don't talk to me about cheating. I've been cheated on more times than you've played clean resets H4. "
Maybe you are looking for love in all the wrong places then bro


KJ: Alternatively how much would you bid to get enough turns to kill SoF all by yourself? :P

Arsenal, if you view complicity as the same as cheating then you have just admitted that you cheated back in the day although not since the existence of earth empires.

Arsenal, if you view complicity as the same as cheating then you have just admitted that you cheated back in the day although not since the existence of earth empires.

"I maintain that if you think TC's actions in 2006 come anywhere near the worst that has happened in this game cheating wise, then you are the one that is deluded."

Exactly.

Flamey is just a piece of fluff in this game. I'm unsurprised he would be in the know for that kind of stuff while trying to publicly slam me for "making it up for political reasons". :p

Talk to qz, I'm always for dealing with cheating aggressively. Given how it went down after the fact, I think LaF should have been mass-deleted like RD was and a better ban enforced. I don't believe that anyone we've "banned" for cheating actually stopped playing.

also I find "biggest cheaters in game history", particularly when referring to TC in 2006, to be laughable.

Obviously you haven't been around this game much.

you are full of fluff. No proof of me cheating in 2006 or 2012.

hmm, I was just concerned that someone was coming into the chat, and saying stuff like this:

which isn't exactly conducive to making a better or more friendly community :-/

Otherwise, nukevil's post is pretty on point with respect to all the sketch. I'm still disappointed by that whole saga and I honestly don't think anyone learned any lessons besides "hide it better next time." That's the saddest part.

This thread is gold.

So the LaF/SoF side is losing for the first time I can remember in a long time, and, going by what I'm seeing here, they're all demoralized/butt-hurt about it. So let me get this straight--the side which dominated the server for years, using information gained from actions outside the game (I won't call it hacking because AFAIK they only used admin credentials that weren't theirs) and tactics such as breaking pacts and suddenly FSing out of the blue (thank God *that* doesn't happen anymore, right?) is now politically and militarily out-maneuvered by people who actually didn't use admin credentials to get an edge on their enemies, and they're essentially crying about it? And they're disliking one of their own members for bringing a little fun into an otherwise sad chatroom?

So, how's it feel? How does it feel now that all your "extralegal" tactics have been for nothing? LaF did it first, then they paid for it, and they're still paying for it, even though the people responsible have allegedly been banned from the game for it. RD did it next, and they got mass-deleted, and now no longer exist, at least in name (probably mostly went to SX, which, if they did, would simply be justice). And SoF, poor, poor SoF, just throws up its hands and yells every time "We didn't know! How could we have known?" They supported their cheating allies every time. And the server has been shown that SoF can't hold its own against a single netting alliance they FSed OOP, and now can't seem to get keep their allies from dying. And Rage, well...I do have a long memory. Which, for this game, in itself is sad, but this isn't about me.

To the other side, I can only say that I feel for you. Having to put up with alliances who refused to play the game as it was supposed to be played, ran by leaders who were barely "people". I left this server due to these conditions. You can't enjoy a game where the other side cheats again and again and, even when caught, continue to dominate. I do hope their domination is coming to an end, and I do hope the winning side doesn't use their current victory as an excuse to become the ones they fought against for so long. From an outsider looking in who thinks he knows the circumstances, this seems to be an optimistic event.

Unfortunately, all it's going to do is breed bad feelings. Good luck everyone!

Is solid snake the current don?

Yeah I'm pretty sure I saw a few of our LaF countries suicided b4 the war mate. The love was shared around

Aresnal, it could be true but after nearly 9 and a half years there I still hold out hope for LaF and this game :)

one reset doesn't prove much and never has. One observation doesn't make a trend.

Skill level of it's members in game no... Politically yes.


I would like to fight alliances in arranged wars to test this out. I've never been a fan of the one sides blindsiding (not that this set is one of those, it was politics at work and anyone in the loop knew what was going to happen). I have been one fair share of sides winning and losing these one sided events and would love to see things battled out on more even terms. (These have been my views for 10+ years)

I lobbied for hitting Evo and making the war dec simply state "that's OUR word!"

But it didn't work out.

this war dec sucks ffs

if you're going to roflstomp these guys at least post something funny or cool so you don't look like complete garden equipment