Im not paranoid... Twiz is out to get me.... He IS GONNA GET ME....
*warms up chems*

/wrists

Time expired, you are gonna have to wait for someone else now :P

NBK Kill4Free is me.
msn

But I suggest you contact Twiz, he is slightly more diplomatic then I am.

Well, when I do quit, everyone will know :D

You are making me quit!!

Suicide NBK instead!

You heard it here first.
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K4F

Man, I don't know why all you fellows are into this man on man stuff.... but stop distracting gambit!

Pretty cool, got contacts from ages ago

xishellhound
usimplydie
ufcdragonex
tempestxfear
swordsmolem
syklone2025
ShagNBK
scrapt2000
ripitupxck
ricoearth2025
punkusdr
ou812isgodly
molemlcoh
michelleffa
marspdm
mannyofshield
lawdogofblood
kodyhd69
juuedmasterchud
ketchupdsoa
icydog1
herrengland
drunckenmunkey
drakenxbloodx
donnybaby6969 (is this is original donny?)
cripplertd
bummy007
bahzellsword


Just to name a few of em, lol. Like a museum. Lots of you fellows are still around too!

By pure coincidence, I still remembered my aim login and password from 8 years ago when I had AOL in germany.
This is a AOL win, maybe the first ever....

I want more wars, more grabbing and more fun!
Only problem is that it is so easy to self farm, and so much more productive, lol.
But, it sure ain't more fun!

Haha, that would be my bet too.

Im up for that!

Sweet, a hate thread not directed at NBK!

Incorrect Enshua, I had to have high defenses to withstand the retals, also had to build up my land, 20k acres does take more then a day or two especially on a dict.

I understand why you have a problem Des. In all honesty we only allied with tko to give warsters a chance. Members all wanted to kill all aodt members. Which is TKO. We didn't and made a treaty we plan on keeping to show that. LAE has been one of the few clans which was always neutral to us and long standing. As well as the fact DM is a good friend, and a former member of NBK. Having someone you can trust is rare, and we trust them. Not that I don't want to grab em of course.

Meanwhile from your statement you imply we aren't allied with pan. Check news. Pan is great. If they don't defend their countried they admit it. They only have problems with jetters. And I am with them 100 percent. Ask anyone in NBK what I say on the boards regularly.

Twiz or I will talk to you soon. Any problems you got will be addressed. If it is about the issue I think it is, I already sent MM a message early on today. I am keeping an eye on things.

We are allied to TKO to show that we have no interest in warring, I wouldn't mind a few hits on their fatties either :D

I never once said they were nasty, I never once said anything bad about self farmers. I said they are easy targets with lots of land and no military.

And you are right, if there was a clan that did landgrabs and wasn't big, it would be killed. Now, that would be because a bigger clan had a problem and would have killed it. And the big clans excuse would have been, don't do stuff if you are small, you brought it upon yourself.

Now when the reverse happens and it is a large clan except with the same 3-4 people doing the same 7-8 grabs a day, people complain saying we are bullies, and it isn't fair.

Now I say no matter what we do, people will complain, there is no way to make everyone happy.

The bulk of the people that were attacked, had 1/3 even 1/4 of their stockpile, which would have cost them at most 10% of their total daily income, been spent on turrets, they would have been fine, and so hard to break that it would be hardly worth it. Not to mention that if one did make a jetter to break it, we would be hitting from half its NW. That means they woulda had almost half the losses, and and goods.

Everyone can choose to not be broken, but instead, with only a few exceptions (enshula being a very good one) they choose to be vulnerable and hope they don't get hit instead.

Well, we do like stealing stock, especially from defenseless targets with a lot of land...

And now that I think about it, pretty much everyone self farms.

People say we are picking on the little guys, but honestly we are picking on everyone. Pan has gotten hit relatively less then other clans based on numbers, but that is solely because Pan's countries have less land and more defense.

Grab us back, if someone is using a jetter get one of the smaller land guys in your clan to hit him, teach him a lesson to run just jets. Grab us, so we have to use our jets to retal and not hit.

Go for it.

Actually what you say makes sense Desparado, but, it also is not true and you know it.
Today's EE attitude is that landgrabs are bad, and shouldn't be done, and people get offended when it is done to them. Period. Us being a big tag means absolutely nothing, as only 3-4 people in all of NBK are grabbing 2-3 times a day each. So combined, those 3-4 people are doing more landgrabbing against other real clans then EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED.

In fact if I did 1 grab per country per day, I would do more grabbing of other clans then almost all main FFA clans combined.

People are scared to do anything, and too lazy to get defense, not my problem.

If I wanted to, I could take 1 country, do 3 hits on every non allied clan, hitting stockers (seperate countries), eat the retals and come out over 10bil ahead worth of goods, screw the land (I wouldnt lose much cause I would be hit into DR anyway). But that is an example of screwing people over. Profitable, but we aren't doing that.

Yeah some people don't pick their targets as well. But most of our hits have been getting like 500mil cash worth of goods plus. As for that hit, yeah he was going for solely land. Most hits are for goods and land though.

Havok, you have no idea....
They took:
xxx Acres
6,780,211 Bushels
$103,804,830
73,842 Technology Points

xxx acres
5,909,444 Bushels
$229,073,883
120,138 Technology Points

Trust me, this is typical, the monetary gains on our typical hits PAY FOR THE ENTIRE ARMY. 3mil jets is what it takes to break most of these people. Counting technology, this pays for about DOUBLE what we need to send. And pays for about 25x what we lose at least. The acres are just a bonus.

How does this not help stocking.

No, NBK is keeping to the tradition of no self farming, so to net, we have to grab. Hence why we grab.

On a side note, everytime I tried to net someone declared war on us. I can net as well as anyone, better then most. But what is the point of running netters when people think that is a weakness and try to kill.

Lol, killing people for 9 hits in 6 days.

So if we landgrab anyone, we are the bad guys not playing fair, making people leave the game.

If we declare war on someone we are the bad guys making people leave the game.

If we do anything other then sit here quietly farming ourselves we are the bad guys.

What has FFA come to :/

No, anyone in their clan can retal. And I agree that we should get retalled 5 times for those 4 hits. One hit from my country, was hitting from equal NW, and after the hit, equal land, and my country has double his defense... a fair hit by any standard.

I never recall NBK following a total clan retal policy for consecutive hits by different countries, nor do I remember other people doing that either.

6 grabs in two weeks makes NBK landhungry bad guys. What ever happened to vini vidi vichi

I still love him.

Actually havok I have 18 m turrets and tech and 6m troops... Please don't accuse me of running a jetter.

Spy on me I only sent half of what I had. Whixh was oversending. So don't get all self rightcheous it cost an 11k acre country 2 days income to buy what I sent.

No, we go where the land is. Especiallu easy land.

I think saying they would have 100 defends is a bit ridiculous, but if people did stop self farming I can see land trading between large clans go up to say 50 hits a day, plus retals. Once hits get over a certain point everyone just retals and slows down their hits.

But one can't say "if I can't attack myself, everyone else will die", cause it was only for the last few sets where self farming was so commonplace. The old FFA, it was done, but only to a limited extent. And old FFA worked. Although more players would help too.

I do not really oppose self farming itself, what I oppose is lack of player interaction with the game... with other players... other clans. Right now for the bulk of clans the only time you do anything with other people is when you are killing or being killed. I have had countries for the last 3 sets when I was playing, and not one grab on me. NOT ONE.

Self farming made landgrabbing obsolete. I want to be attacked, I want to attack, I want people to try to defend themselves.
Not this nonsense of sitting there with your 16 doing absolutely nothing other then attacking yourself.

I do respect those 16 country clans with good NW. They know how to play, they retal, they have enough military to defend their land, that is how I like it.

Smaller clans would help greatly Dragon, I admit.
I actually admire Dynasty, granted they don't know how to defend their land military wise, but they are fast on the retals, and keep up with em. I just wish they would grab other people more.

Probably the main reason why this hasn't come up before is because NBK was warring. And being the only clan that actually bans self farming, it wasn't much of a general FFA issue.

All I can say is, everyone, grab everyone more.

I am not complaining about self farming, I am just saying that if everyone grabbed more things would balance out. Right now everyone is afraid of retals, and most people think that someone is bullying them if they get hit as a result of no military. If it wasn't just NBK hitting, if everyone was hitting, then the big fat self farmers would be parred down to the point where it wouldn't be an easy strat.

People are afraid to hit, and this is the result.

Which is ironic because NBK is also producing most of it.

Party like its 1699?

I farm self farmers for fun.... at least I will tomorrow!

Spam kills people.

242 nukes here only 41 cruises left though.

I don't think that would work, as I can see getting to 50k land without self farming. The thing is people realise that people will not landgrab them, so they have no reason at all to get defenses. Once you have defenses self farming becomes that much more difficult, especially with the loss of acres.

It isnt just one alliance lives by it, I think NBK is the only major tag that bans it. The rest just do it to various amounts, and obviously the bigger the tag the more it happens.

Well if LAE is willing to comply, I know a few other big clans that are willing to do that too. I think stopping self farming altogether is quite possible.

I do think that if we increased landgrabbing to the point where self farmers could not keep their land, it would balance out on its own. I do not want to see this much self farming, but I do not want to eliminate it 100%, as many people play just for that.

I am up for finding a solution that is acceptable to everyone without eliminating people who play completely. And any solution that increases landgrabbing between clans server wide is a good one.

That is true, a 12k land country can be at same NW as a 50k land country, but have nearly double the military. Especially if the 50k land is tech heavy. But also since the 50k land country has more then 4x the land, he should be at least double the size of the smaller one, but that really isn't happening, so people are getting hit.

Well I know the solution!

Im gonna start grabbing tomorrow, 1 hit a day.

True, but NW:Land ratio does matter when it comes to grabbing as well. Right now things are all messed up, with targets across all NW ranges with tons of land and no defenses. Had we been actively grabbing from start things woulda been balanced out sooner.

Well, we are allied to you Warster :P

I think less no attack whatsoever alliances, and more just sort of general alliances.

And yes no mil is a winning strategy, and people have to do it to be competitive. But it isn't a winning strategy when we are busy grabbing instead of killing!