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ariel, you can try other servers aside from express. You can probably play the way you describe on the Tournament Server, or also perhaps the Primary Server, but be prepared for a response there as well. Doing this kind of play on Alliance or Team servers though will also likely get you killed.

Hi all,

I see people post general stuff sometimes, so just going to leave this here for those who may be interested. Not looking offend anyone.

Recommend the whole series, 1-7:
https://www.youtube.com/...ch?v=tAl3p3Do7FQ&t=2s

Peace

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Lol netters are in the category of women and children now?

I thought I was doing ok standing up and fightin' off an e-bully. Then SuperFly paints me as an Overly Penetrative Goku (could be candidate for Express country name one set?)

Now I think herbert and I have a ceasefire, but SuperFly and Gerbles might be going at it soon?

Well, what am I supposed to do, SuperFly? Just stop and let him rebuild to come back at me? He's been doing harmful spy ops that you can't see in news as well. He didn't waive a white flag or reach out for peace either. Had he done so, I might have accepted. If he does now, I probably would.

In comparison to your 'let it go on for 2 days', I don't expect the farming would have stopped after 2 days or that you'd be here defending my honor had it gone that way either. So, where's the list of these unwritten rules and how many actually follow them?

archaic, I wouldn't have been surprised if I logged on and the tag killed me. When they didn't, I saw it as a respectable 1 on 1 and continued, without spilling over on them.

Lol he started it. Now I come here to find other peeps conspiring against me? I respected the rest of the tag for not jumping in and so didn't FS them to acknowledge that. Darkness clan did that once as well for one of their instigators on a previous set.

The bonus ghost acres for same strat does have some effect, particularly with indy bots generally having higher Def and less land (I think?). Also, they only build half of their land it seems so I want to say their nets don't keep up. I don't think it'd hurt to open up the ghost acre returns to all strats, even for the sake of balance since not all bots seem to perform the same on all strats.

That being said...keep in mind I was able to put up the 66mil C/I about a month and a half ago, with slowplay in this climate.

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Thanks Hess! Does anyone have a list of the highs for each strat? Curious...

Yea techer with bots buying loads of tech and selling cheap goods may have a higher ceiling...and just being strong with low land in itself.

Thanks all. And fitting enough, 'Planned Strike' was 50% more than the guy in second. How cool? :)

Thanks! Yea it was a good set. What was the previous record for CI?

Just for the record, FDC was Not a stealth subset of IMP. I was really just a solo netter and think my countries of no troops/tanks, less than 20k turrets, hardly any SDI/Warfare, low SPAL, built for grabbing bots shows it. I'm only in it for being dragged into it.

The base sell price for bushel on private market is $29.

You need to get enough Military tech to bump that up to 35.5, which will round to $36.

29/x = 35.5 (x being % Military tech)

x = 29/35.5

x : Get Military tech to ~0.8169 (almost maxed for Demo, which is 81.67%). This is doable without any Military Bases.

How were my countries built for war? I had all jets, practically no D (0 troops, 0 tanks, less than 20k turrets), hardly any warfare, most low spies, etc.

#94 messaged me when I did an accidental spy on him while farming bots and accused me of being some IMP, but I told him I'm no threat and what happened. My countries look nothing like war countries lol

I started retalling after I posted, but have since stopped.

Seriously? You start killing my countries [FDC] tag because of 1 accidental spy op one of your countries, thinking I'm someone else?

arf

Had someone triple me a couple sets ago...knee-jerk reaction was to go in guns blazin' and give a 'hard lesson', so I spied to prepare and got caught, then got a message from the dude. Turns out he thought I was a bot (must not have checked News), but he was willing to accept retals peaceably and no more shots were fired. Was still able to win the set for what it was, but had others had better sets the interaction may have prevented me from doing so. If you are going to retal in such a way that blows your GDI protection, either go all-in or knowingly accept the risk. First Strike in Express is quite significant...

St. Pete, Florida

For one, bots don't attack, so check news; if they've attacked then they're not a bot.

Bots also target 65 BPT fairly early, so generally 240 Construction Sites (except for I and H governments). They may be a little under the number of CS if they've been landgrabbed recently.

They use turns frequently, so assess the Turns Played on the spy op and see if it's near turns given in set at that point.

Weird Names, yea, but people can have them too so only use it as a clue (but some names you'll begin to recognize, like Blackbeard).

Generally built up defense and low to no jets.

Generally large amounts of tech (to the point of excessive).

Thanks Hess, nice net for 12k land. I was caught with hundreds of mils left and had to buy tech at end too lol

Techer is so powerful, to be able to compete with such little land. The bots buying Soo much tech helps too, especially when prices are decent. Also, since they buy frequently that helps you to keep using turns and grow. I have a screenshot of a Republic bot from set before last, 5.2 mil net, 12k land, maxed out Residential tech 180% (651k tech) and 179.7% Business (453k tech). I think bots are overbuying tech, they should probably stop around 172% or so? Also, they don't buy jets (I think this is true?) so it can be harder to sell those quickly. Indy is generally fatter to get higher nets, where techers don't need it. I get that the techer strat shouldn't require as much land as they should be using turns to tech and shouldn't need to just keep growing, but I still think bots might be overbuying tech a bit.

Don't forget also as Indy to run turns you need big sales, which can leave you vulnerable to kids that want to land-trade grab you which just hurts both parties (also, you can't sell what's out on PS).

Does luck bonus really significantly help to reduce natural disasters?

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ya you should be more networth than 6 mil with that land, Ratski. Looks like you need more tech, or did you sell some off? Try just buying food and put that land towards your government/tech choice, and maybe get tech sooner.

Thanks Ugo.

And just for laughs...

Coach Kevin O'shea rallies the troops for the final push; replace football with Earth2025:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyi07qNXz2U

Gerdler supporting @18 secs

ok, well I saw like 5 mil actually hit the market and be there at like $50, I didn't expect, but bought 500k at the time. I should have done more, but it was gobbled up quickly.

I'm not sure how cheap bots sell units; are standing orders taking advantage of cheap units? And should bots buy some jets even if they don't retal to balance market?

Do cashing bots place standing orders at end of turns, and then buy when they pick up again if still have $ on hand?

Tech was cheaper to start, yea. I also saw at one point like 5 mil or so oil drop on market at like $50 a barrel? is that a dumb bot or?

Congrats on the win. Not too bad for 2nd, think I made a few mistakes probably, but not too bad for recent return :)

hmm, ok, so I agree that it's a bad design to make AB/BR building damage specific to your own. A player would have to build a certain building they don't want for their strat just to be enable themselves to do respectable damage. That's a waste of turns, money, strat potential, etc. (especially for larger countries). I don't think tanks or jets should care what kind of building they're blowing up. Also, indy's are at a disadvantage since other strats generally make some complexes for spies.

As for SS/PS, land taken is the same, but only captured buildings are limited? Does the not capturing buildings of a type you don't have reduce the total land you get? Or do those buildings just come part of razed land? If the latter, not having to bulldoze buildings you don't want (and pay for it) and getting it as unassigned and keeping what you want I think would be good too.

I don't think GS/SS/PS should care what an attacker has on hand. It would make sense to only be dependent on what the defender has available to take, then some sort of % of that. Attacking units should grab whatever they can. But for example, if I'm an indy I should get some bus/res tech so when I attack I can grab some of that too. I think I dislike this part, but it's not as large of an impact as the first item.

I think it's still an open question as to how it works now. It's still bad to have the way things work change and the masses not know how the new way is. Does the amount of buildings destroyed have anything to do with attacker's build style and attackee's? Could you explain why we saw 50 AB's do 500 building damage compared to Koh's post where a lot more was done? DR shouldn't have been a factor on the 50/500 scenario. Thanks

Why are AB's so useless now? They do such little damage. I'm seeing 20, 10, etc. buildings destroyed per hit? That's useless? 50 attacks only like 500 buildings? lol Same thing with BR

He acted alone and I haven't heard back from him to know if he was provoked in some way(such as spies) by anyone. Doesn't appear to be the case, though.

cluck

Nuk, I understand where you're coming from on Tuesday hits retalled on Saturday/Sunday...it's just 1 more reason why bot-farming is the way to go on This server. But even so, people like Clint and Temple will generally hunt you for big hits near end of set anyway, if you're a fattie lol.

oh okay, then I'd agree. It seemed more so to be about someone topfeeding who was in DR, but the root cause would be suicider, yes. If I mistook you then I apologize. I'd vote for anyone who does that randomly like #56 for no reason, let's perma-ban.



What you say about bots buying expensive tech in the last hours of the game is true. Even if I haven't seen specifically $6k in the last 18 seconds I'd believe it since I could see bus/res selling over $7k in last 4-8 hours even in market history.. As a player I've also not attempted to sell at such prices and instead elect to take a quick cash-out like beer and Qfw, but even so a diligent tech player wouldn't have much left to sell at that point anyway and can take advantage of better prices with 4-8 hours left or so. Anyway the point is the bot's excessive buying is why techers are 40m+ with like 12k land; well over-powered.

Watch it, Hammer? I never attacked you...I asked a couple of fair questions...

What's this guy supposed to do? Apparently he can't take it upon himself to kill a suicider because he's already dead. Should he just not try to play anymore? Why don't we rid ourselves of suiciders and/or change the DR functionality? Even more importantly, why can't I be objective without people taking things personally?

Also, due to the bots impacts as of late on top of game-design, the C/I strategy 'requires' even more of a buttload of land to compete to win vs. techers, who need but 1/3-1/2 of the land since prices are generally so high and for so long. Since techers can get away with so little land and be competitive, when they do eventually strike a fat commie, they generally always end up on top. The bots/game dynamics could be tweaked to changed the land-needs for both strategies if the public so chose, or else we have to accept it. And believe me, I've been on the losing-end of that stick a lot, but it's just how the game is.

Who said I was anyone Lol? I can't weigh in regardless of country?

Also, no player is given a 'pass' to being hit because of how fat or thin they are. I know it sucks to be the fattest and get hit as you all love to do it to me, but it is what it is and one should 'defend their land' as you tell me. My larger point before was that in many cases being hit wasn't so beneficial to the grabber when considering all angles(be it bot alternative, retals, time left in set, strategy and so on), although a few have had likely small benefits in exchanging.

I'm not looking to fight with you or anyone about it though. I've already laid that all out before.

My post history? My post history only pointed out that farming bots is in most cases more beneficial, that's all. Most is not all cases. There are many dynamics to be considered for each case. This case is more so about DR..But why should 1 player stop playing their game or imposing a strategy because someone suicides for no reason? Can they not still try to finish the best they could? If anything, people should advocate a change to DR and how it works, or perma-ban people who suicide for no reason. Such things I'd likely support.

So if someone is FUBAR'ed by a suicider it means they should stop playing the game? They can't make landgrabs because someone DR'ed them against their will? That doesn't sound right either..

You can still log-in as much as you want regardless, for the sake of free turns or just to monitor your country/markets. Some delay their starts in order to let markets adjust/come down a little, or to see how markets & other countries are before even deciding a government/strategy. This can be good from that perspective, but you'll also be playing catch-up and early starters may look at you for a landgrab as they'll be stronger.

Some strats like to start early to take advantage of higher market prices as well as be the first to hit some bots before some are over-farmed...then again waiting does let them get fatter too. Additionally, starting early should put you near the top in net, so you normally won't be a land target.

Those are a few things to consider, but there are pros and cons for each. Consider what's best for you and your strategy and experiment and have fun.

*gasp* Heston!

It's usually "mrford". He's like a real-life bot. I say usually because there could be an imposter 'landfarm' just waiting for you to multi-tap so he can FUBAR you.

I'm here for you.

Celphi, he doesn't have time to spend hours with you on a thread because of his extremely busy life. What happened between me and Scott on the other thread was merely a fluke. I was fortunate enough to peel away hours of his time on a Friday night away from family & friends and other more exciting hobbies, and you can't just expect to waltz in here with any ol' post here or there and expect to get the same preferential treatment as me.

Or, uhh..errrr..

@Trump, you're right, if one person can do it, anyone can.
"If one persn can do it then it means it is possible, and if its possible then its still a strong government and anyone else who plays it well enough can do he same. If some people cant play it well enough thats their problem "

But I have to ask, why aren't all Commie's doing it then? Why isn't the top 5 consistently flooded with C's? Because there's a skill gap from player to player...Just because it's possible doesn't mean the bot changes haven't made it a lot harder. Due to the changes this guy had no choice BUT to get absolutely Obese with land in order to fight off a lean, stickly 12,678k land techer who broke 41m. But then I also have to ask, why did he go over 41m with less than 13k land when other techers who are fatter were 50-75% of that? Again, there's a skill-gap from player to player. What some of us more experienced players are saying is the environment is currently favoring techers....going back to what you said, just because most people aren't skilled enough to take advantage of it and break 50-60m doesn't mean it's not true...and just because some guy breaks 53m with C doesn't mean all's a walk in the park for C, or else we'd see multiple people doing it all the time every set. From what I can tell, top 10 usually consists mostly of techers..


@Cable Was that your 53m country? From how you talk it either was or you break 50m all the time in your sleep.

You can still hit players...I only asked why hit a real player for 1-2k if they can turn around and take it back tomorrow when you can take from bots without retal risk? If you feel you can out-run someone in express and/or really end up on top in the end, or that someone else is too far behind/low to successfully get you back anyway, that's different.

You're also still competing strategy for highest networth, even if you don't directly attack each other.

Yea the language in there I disagree with and so I wanted to clarify it, which now I have. I didn't know I'd have to get a new a-hole ripped open to shed light on it though. Forum asking is definitely a last resort lol.

Yea, well, from where I sit I wouldn't specifically type out in the wiki in a weird way whilst talking about the replenishment formula basically saying, "from second to second before you get a turn nothing changes". That's really unnecessary and so that in conjunction with the wiki distinguishing between logged out/on I thought the quote I referenced was actually a bit of useful information regarding the formula. Not like saying, "if you logout with 10mil net and do nothing and nothing happens when you log in, your net will still be 10mil!"

Thanks all, maybe another newb will stumble upon this and have all their questions answered too...and maybe, perhaps, they will have just made as many new friends I have..

/teh jokes