I think he pointed out why he felt the change was bad in his opinion. His points not having to do with ignorance of the workings of the system or the reasoning behind them. His points are good. The effect of killing someone is severely diminished when they can turn around and kill you back the next day, or even just cripple you so soon. There's much less victory in a kill with this...and isn't really much of a kill then. It's just a cushion to help war-minded people on here cope and get some form of revenge soon. If the majority of the people want to be pandered to, then you all can do that. I'd personally like to see it restricted to team/alliance servers.

Not sure if SuperFly will want to take you head-on like Donny though...pun also intended

/spews juice out over monitor in shock*

Frybert's black?!

/recognizes

How about a 1v1 on Express? Can get enough turns there to do a kill...just agree to do 2 harmful spy ops each on turns 101-102 to make each other fair game, and not attack until at least turn 200?

I agree managing 16 countries is a pain...and that server allows foreign aid, right? Not just from yourself, but anyone? just sayin'...that changes things...

Donny can use his EE iNews App for 3am notifications if he likes.

lmao @ Vic

Do these stats ever reset? If you haven't been around since the beginning, it'll be hard to catch up. jw.

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#125 sure was a prick. Received a bunch of harmful spy ops near end game, which doesn't make sense when his country name is LandFarm and runs no D. I hit once and went on my way. These people just lurk in the dark hoping to cork somebody when you bend over to tie your shoe, not thinking anything of it. They're not even trying to play; their goal is merely to drag you down. I don't want to hear things like "oh it's part of the game, get better defense or spies", etc. because yes, those things ARE part of the game, but used in This manner only hurts the game, as Vic said. Play to win or go play with yourself somewhere else.

End rant.

Could the game be modified to declare the length of time you want your standing order to be in effect?

yes, and oh ok ford that was us chatting. good set guys, see ya next round. just hopefully not in my news xD

mrford were you the "landfarm" guy I was talking to? In a positive manner

I already did. I was waiting to hear from Primeval, but you keep posting here instead, unfortunately.

You're not getting it, mrford. I know how these kind of people are. He started, I asked him to stop and he purposefully did it again on a bigger country lol. It only gets worse from here. I also don't like being disrespected by his personal messages so I wanted to involve IMP leaders to get some form of peace. And no I didn't 'get my land back'. The first retal I didn't get much as the attacking rules have changed from my understanding from a long time ago. Also, if I have nothing to gain but 'getting my land back' and lose hundreds of millions in the process, why would I want to be apart of this exchange? The whole point isn't about 2 landgrabs dude. The point is the personal tensions escalate to war, and I was trying to avoid it very early on. I have nothing to gain by warring a clan that would kill me. Nor do I have anything to gain by 'maintaining' land and having to rework myself back up. Also, I've already let one of my countries go to another clan when one of their members mistook 1 sabotage missiles op when I typed in the wrong number. I could have easily gone ape on the clan, but I don't want to throw an entire set away. Surely an entire country is worth more than 2 LGs...

And look at you, threatening with missiles and I haven't even done anything. Couldn't you just say "Well then I'd retal your one small country and call it even"? Of course you wouldn't. And I wouldn't either.

That's not true, mrford. Don't tell me my mindset. You're not seeing the whole picture. Tactics are being applied to pick a fight with me by this guy, and that's my problem, as I don't want a fight. I don't want to bend over and take it either though. I have enough experience on here to know if I took one of my 8kland countries and starting hitting your 16k countries, you'd get tired of having a net-loss in land all of the time. There are plenty of bots and countries of our own to look at for land. I'm simply saying I don't want to be a farm.

Or how about I take a 14k land country and hit one of those 80k land fatties out there? How many of you clans out there are ok with that? 1;1 retal you won't get beans back. It wouldn't be hard to do with all of the 'low defense' people are playing with, but most would be upset, just like they were before when I did it years ago when I was a newb to FFA.

I made a request to IMP to not do any more attacks. I've hardly heard from them, but instead the hecklers of earthempires.

I do. You know I'm right, even if you don't like it. And I'll stop speaking to you if you stop posting here. A win-win for both of us. Agreed?

Again, maybe something else I could learn. But I'm not familiar with the process here at all. I'm not one to engage in the forums, for obvious reasons. They never go well. I tried dealing with the player through in-game messages, and that didn't work so I did the only other thing I knew.

Warster, perhaps that could have been done and could be something I could learn, but is not something I'm familiar with as the math of this game has changed over the years. So it's not bullfluffting you, it was my honest understanding. Also, I'd still prefer not to have to go through all of that headache just to get 'back' where I was. So I asked to be left alone, just like most clans do. That's it.

Lol...you think this is about two grabs? What thread have you been reading? It was the principle, and I have enough experience with you players that when smaller countries make big grabs on you, you farm until you get your land back. I don't have this luxury being a small tag...

Persephone, what did I dictate? What did I demand that should be done?? I made a request for IMP not to hit me anymore, and asked why a member of theirs is trying to light my fire. That's not dictating. I don't know what you've been reading either, sir.

Warster, I don't want to go back and forth with semantics of 'topfeeding'. My point was made and I believe clear. I'm sure there are still a few 'rules' or 'policies' I'm not aware of, but when a country with 60% amount of land of my own hits me, I'm not going to get the same return for my country that was hit. Period. I could also apply these same tactics to larger countries on IMP, but what good would that do me? Do you think they would sit back and accept it? Of course not...and I'd be in a bad situation still, in fact, worse. So all I've asked is for IMP to not attack me anymore, but I can't get a response on PM. I don't want reparations, just to be left alone. Instead, the hounds are coming out of everywhere now it seems.

You pull a thread from 2013 when I didn't know the rules of this FFA server? Get out of here with that nonsense. Here I am trying to abide by the rules and regulations you people have put in place, and when I voice anything I'm met with criticism and insults. The majority of you have been against me from the start, regardless of situation. Please don't post on my thread with that kind of garbage anymore. Thanks.

You can PM me here, ddd.

Well, I'm more than willing to forgive such aggressive actions mostly triggered by the events of real life. Although next time I'd encourage you to talk to me first.

Well, I guess how I was seeing it, if I took a big grab on some other country, they won't be happy. They'll see I'm a small tag and just use their weight against me and take it back even more. '

Bottom line though, I just want to net in peace. I sent a personal message to Mr. IMP, but haven't heard back yet.

This I was not aware of...hitting country B of Clan IMP when country A hit me is an acceptable retal? Even with two different users?


Warster, maybe the term exists there, but the application of what it means is present here as well.

Dragon, I'd love to make the attacker pay, but the land the attacker has does not yield what I lose in 1 hit. That's the point. And me taking my land back by force just gets me killed or perhaps FUBAR'ed. Or, the user will use other countries to pull the same bs on more countries of mine. The best win for me is simply to get a pact with IMP to have no more attacks exchanged whatsoever.

See, now a response from Aphrodite is actually helpful and peaceful. No, I did not post on here my intentions of playing a solo tag, I didn't think I had to. I could do that in the future.

What has happened here is very simple, ladies.

IMP player hits a fatter country of mine, knowing full-well my retal on him won't yield nearly as much land. We both know this, so I message him to not hit me anymore. I'll sacrifice the losses to not have to deal with any bs; i.e. just leave me alone. The same IMP player(and country for that matter) does it again a few days later to a bit fatter country of mine, again knowing that I'm not going to get the same returns. Now, it should be obvious here that 2 attacks isn't the end of the world, but this is the kind of fluff that goes on that is just a smack in the face and is an attempt to provoke me. That's why I'm here, to know why I am being provoked into a war that I don't want, and insulted in the process. I'd much rather net in peace than go down swinging, because I can't take the entire IMP clan. I also don't believe I should have to sack a set or two "proving myself" or "making a stand" because that's not fun to me. Again, why I'm here.

Sure it does, Warster. Tell me your tag and countries and I can PS your fat country with some low-level of mine. See how the land exchange turns out and if you're happy with the results. And if you ask me not to do it anymore, and I still do it as a smack in the face, then what will you do?

I didn't see your first message Primeval, amongst all of the other words thrown at me. But your surface appeal is wrong. I didn't have tiny defense. He just has nothing but jets, which in itself isn't the problem.

You guys are a bunch of hypocrites lol. If it were you being screwed over intentionally you'd be the same way. Let me take my country with 15k land and PS your country with 30k land, and I'll do it every day knowing in the end you lose land and I gain. You surely wouldn't stand for it. No fluff I could attack back for my land, and in the process cause a war that doesn't end well for anybody(especially me). I was trying to be peaceful and avoid wreaking havoc across the entire server...simply by being asked to be left alone....instead all of you snakes come out and start taking shots at me.

I'm not here for any of your advice. I'm here to find out why a member of IMP is creating bad blood with me. Any of you with eyes to see can clearly see that's what's happening. Obviously I'm here because I don't want to go to war and waste an entire set, nor take down innocent bystanders in the tag because someone wants to personally be a fluffhead.

And Raging Budda, aren't you the guy who killed me over 1 spy op? Which was an accident

Just to complain? Um, no. What is this solo tag you are playing anyway?

Like I said, he already did it before and I did try a peaceful, in-game message and I was met with attitude. I decided to let it go. It's sad I have to explain this, as if to a child, but I came here looking for an explanation as to why this guy wants to purposely light my fire. Not to hear your bad advice or shots about 'complaining'.

It's not about not being able to hit back, which I can clearly do and have done, it's about topfeeding. Plenty of you guys out there have countries with well over 50k land. lets say I hit you with a country with 20k, and you retal. Obviously I'm going to end up much more well off. And let's say I keep doing it. How are you going to react? I know most tags in here would reply with multiple attacks until they got their land back, claiming topfeeding. I voice myself here and I get hecklers instead.

It's not about low defense or not. It's the nature of the server. And he's the one with no defense and all jets, solely for this purpose. Hardly anyone plays with defense in this server. And besides, it doesn't stop someone who knows what their doing and wants land, with PS. This all just results in less players

I don't want to earn respect by having to quit after doing so.

I'm not here to be their farm just to lose $140mil, millions of bushels, just to have to 'get my land back' and take on the building costs and not being able to use turns for growth. I already let him have a big positive exchange with me before, but he just insists on being a prick. In this server there are plenty of your own countries to farm from, so it's just willfully being a pain. I don't understand why..

Not to mention the money and bushels he's taking with these grabs..

I already told your guy #1482 to not visit me again, but he insists. I'm sick of the bullfluff and games. He's topfeeding me knowing that I can't get what he's taking from me due to his lower land. Why am I being pushed to do something I don't want to do?

(jokes)

When you say string are you talking all 16 countries?

So Donny makes a typo for a real attack and gets a pass, but I make a typo for a spy op and get killed :)

I guess I'm a logical guy and it doesn't make sense to me. If I had bad intentions and got caught in a harmful, intentional spy-op, why would I not follow all the way through? Why try to disable 1 missile on a tag with thousands? And with such a harsh response(with no communication), it seems more likely I'd be provoked into an aggressive response of my own, something I don't want to be apart of.

I just like to think if it were me I'd realize the obviousness of it all and at least reach out. I haven't even landgrabbed one tagged country. I'll just have to file this under the big kid on the block bullying the little one, and there's nothing I can do about it.

I'm a netter and clan FDC will continue to net. If such things are to happen again in the future, please, reach out first. I'm smart enough to know that if I want to cause harm, that I should do more the 1 missile disarm op.

That sounds awfully harsh, don't you think? Especially for a game in need of more players.

No. I didn't even know I did the mistake though, or else I would have. But just by looking at things, it seems obvious it was a mistake. Why try to disarm missiles 1 or 2 times just to not do anything more? Especially against a tag that would obliterate me. I don't understand why something like is kill-worthy, without even a message when it seems obvious it was a mistake.

Apparently one of my countries was killed because I accidentally typed in a wrong number when trying to sabotage missiles of an untagged country. No communication happened whatsoever, but instead you just elect to kill my country(#1643). Why? You really think I would try 1 or 2 spy ops like that Just to not do anything afterwards? Why would I do that? Why are such harsh actions taken without adequate provoking or even communication?

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- CrazyDave - you really are crazy. I said my interpretation of topfeeding was smaller nets grabbing bigger ones for more land. Hence my understanding of how the old Earth works. You're just an asshole, plain and simple. Stop trying to justify that. Show me where I did my interpretation of it to you?

Show me where I was insanely topfeeding and actually gained more from the transaction than you got from retals??? And this is me top-feeding?? I see ONE #1496 on #1084. #1191's hit on #1483 started by him, Mine was a Retal. The first hit by #1484 ghosted < 200 acres?. #1191's double on 1485 yielded more land for him than he lost. You know I'm not seeing enough here to justify the asshole that you're being.

http://www.eestats.com/...;badside[]=FDC&page=1

If you want to see topfeeding I'm sure I could show you. I might be a newb to your rules, but I'm not an idiot.


- kemo - Take your paranoia, insecurity and guilty conscious for how you've dealt with people in the past and take it away from me. Also take your pissed on wheaties with you. I'm not an old foe. I'm just apparently on the brink of being a new one.



- Twain - I appreciate much of the understanding I've received from a lot of leaders. And I respect such understanding. I do not, however, respect CrazyDave or whoever TKO Chris is.


- pollex and Everyone - player of #'s 1057/1056 doing some bs starting w/ top-feeding & grabbing my country I'm trying to preserve for PANLV retals. Is this lovely little community going to prosecute him too??? I'd also like to say that I'm not so happy to hear that all of these clans are so trigger-happy about killing new people. Eventually Earth will die this way. I'm happy to say I found my way to the forums and they didn't this time, but if I didn't...I was probably toast without even a solid chance to communicate the situation. If many of you are worried about old foes, well, if they want to, they're going to get you regardless. But many of you can prevent a lot of it by not being like CrazyDave/TKO Chris the first time around.

Cheers.

From my experience with old earth, the less land u have the higher gains u make in attacks. Especially with relation to net. If I'm a techer with 6k land and 5 mil net, I'm going to get more in a grab, because I'm essentially land-starved.

I don't know if this changed with EarthEmpires

CrazyDave you've only done such attacks to provoke and instigate something with me. You're purposely being a nuisance. I, was not.

And I'm not the one throwing around the 'top-feeding' rules. I've been beaten over the head with them all set, and have been losing my shirt on a lot of retals due to this. Now it's just supposed to change for you?

I attacked for land, violating rules I didn't know about. You attacked simply to be a prick. This is a huge difference...

Not to mention intentional farming

PS Jul 9, 21:18 a (#858) (SOTA) Rubics Cube (#1483) (FDC) 7235 A
PS Jul 10, 02:13 Rubics Cube (#1483) (FDC) a (#858) (SOTA) 5317 A
PS Jul 12, 06:17 a (#858) (SOTA) Vaigas (#1484) (FDC) 11,184 A

Wait a minute, so all of this talk about 'top-feeding' and etc. etc...

And I log on to this?
Jul 12, 06:17 a (#858) (SOTA) Vaigas (#1484) (FDC) 11,184 A

All this fluff i've had to take, then a 45k country hits one with over 80k? And after we just settled things and to my understanding was in DNH? I have the messages in in-game inboxes even proposing DNH. I don't get it.

Yea I was informed of this recently. I only saw 22 days left as still lot of time to grow. Not knowing

Yes Warster, I'm trying.

And I'm flattered, Bloodstone. I seem to be too much of a hot potato right now to safely go anywhere