Looks like Team server has died

you ruined 4 (almost 5) days without posts!

sorry about that

It's all my fault!

many agree wholly with tella.

You're right tella ;)

Its called "the tella effect"


/me runs

the tella ella ella effect?

i was waiting till it hit like 10 days then i was gonna top my post...psh u ruin everything

I thought this server was supposed to flourish under bias modship, suiciders who are encouraged and protected by modship, and modship running half of TSO off the server?!?!

Can someone explain to me what didn't work out? I don't get it!!!

yea i also would like to know what happened?

BOOM it blew up

Do you know how many people have been deleted as a result of the new rules? Like 2.....

But sure, please blame the mods!

That wasn't the point being made, but please continue to think it is.

Please enlighten me as to how we destroyed the server? The new rules have barely had any impact. There was that one guy that suicided two sets(and again, I'll remind you that at least 30-40 countries had free and clear permission to destroy him, and it took that many countries several days to do it), and....anything else?

And this set, there was a single deletion of multies and..that's it. There has been NOTHING else this entire set.

So yes, it's obviously all our fault. I accept your flawless logic :)

30 countries is 6 teams (at least) so getting all of those at same time on isn't that easy to accomplish.

Tella:

A) As soon as you made your initial deletions against TSO, about half of them left the server. That's about a dozen players gone because of your ridiculous rules right from the start. You sucked right away.

B) You say that it's fine because: "At least TSO is gone and the netters are happy!" You claim there have only been "two suiciders." You are either blind, stupid, or simply not paying attention anymore. I'm guessing a combination of all three, personally. Here are a dozen random suiciders just from THIS SET.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=99&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=81&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=52&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=90&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=44&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=68&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...amp;num=111&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...amp;num=117&reset=636

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&num=87&reset=636


C) You are the worst mod in this game by far. You make jokes about trashing this server, but it's not a joke to the players who used to have fun here. You have failed from every possible angle. You are the joke.

1) It wasn't my rule.
2) There was ONE deletion the first set, against elves, that was taken back after I spent over a fluffing week clarifying the rules and their intentions with martian and the other mods. Yes, the wording was vague, and it was rushed into implementation, and I guarantee you it was more frustrating for ME than for YOU, since I was supposed to enforce a rule that, at that time, wasn't clear at all...
3) The set after, there were two deletions, both of countries in a team that had never been touched by the tag they attacked. Even scode will agree that they were clear violations, and mdevol didn't like it, but he understood that he made a mistake by not paying closer attention to the news.
4) I didn't say there was only ONE suicider. I was referencing the euroix guy who suicided on almost the entire server twice in a row, which resulted in a total of 3 deletions over two sets, both of countries whose teams had never once been touched by him or his tag. There is no way to make it clearer in those cases, they both violated the rules straight up.
4a) In both of those suiciding situations, the guy had hit like 7-8 teams each, and there were 30-40+ countries who were free and clear to mess him up. They didn't.
5) I never once said 'At least TSO is gone!'. Stop making fluff up.

Finally: Suiciders suck. I'm a player too, and I agree with you. I hate suiciders. But at this time, it is not the policy of the moderators or admins to delete players for suiciding. It's annoying, but it's not against the rules.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2

The guy was going nuts as RETALS of hits. He didn't hit anyone out of the blue. Also, he's untagged, so the new rules don't protect him.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2

Again, an untagged(thus not protected) gets hit many many times by a country, and he goes nuts on retals, and doesn't hit people out of the blue.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&last_h=72&page=4
^---suicider
http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2
^---suicider, also untagged, thus unprotected.
http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2
^---suicider, also untagged, thus unprotected.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2

Another guy who got farmed multiple times and retalled hard.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=2

You're calling THIS GUY a suicider? But I don't even need to go there because he's untagged, thus not protected under the rules. Moot point..

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=1
Guy PSes, FBISEX retals with 2 nukes, and yet HE is the suicider? LOL

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...trygraph=alive&page=1

And this last one, which illustrates how loosely you guys use the term 'suicider'. In many situations, he's just a country basically declaring war on another tag. To other people, he's a suicider. I've asked multiple times for you guys to give me a working definition of what a 'suicider' is, and nobody can agree.

But this whole wasted post on suiciders doesn't matter: It has nothing to do with moderators, or me in particular. There have been no deletions for violations this set, and in 80% of the countries you listed, the new rules have NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, as they are untagged.

"5) I never once said 'At least TSO is gone!'. Stop making fluff up."

You posted multiple threats against TSO and all of your "coordination" deletions have been against them so far. At least have the balls to stand behind your bias.


"And this last one, which illustrates how loosely you guys use the term 'suicider'."

WTF, your argument is that "A country declaring war on a tag" doesn't count as a suicider? His entire purpose is to ruin as many countries before they kill him, hence the origin of the term "suicider." Do you really not see the difference between that and two actual tags warring one another?

You've destroyed this server. What's worse is that multiple people warned you about what you were doing months and months ago, and you were (ARE) so god damn blind to what's going on that you did it anyways.

I really hope you are pleased with yourself.

The responses here show who doesn't get mod of the year! :P

from what I can see it was L:L after ghost acres. even if the term suicider isn't used it was one hell of an overreaction asking for death against those who can easily make it happen, which is the clear definition of suicide in my book.

can I get the odds on whether or not they can finish what they started (#83) before the set ends?

Since when are nukes accepted as legit retals?

Vamps, I don't know why I even bother talking to you about anything on this server. I was made a mod on this server, and within just a couple of days, despite me having NO connection whatsoever to this server, and despite me being friends with almost everyone in TSO(without even knowing wtf tso was), I was being accused of being biased. Hell of a welcoming committee.

Not to mention that I have repeatedly asked you over the past several months, both publicly and privately, what you would suggest we do, and your responses have been 'it's too late, I don't care, there's nothing you can do'. So basically, because I am the only moderator posting and interacting with the community, and trying to help improve this server, you just want to take out all your frustration on me. Well that's fine, go for it.

I apologize for trying to work with you guys. I apologize for trying to make a more concrete description of the rules that were thought up and implemented by other people. I'm sorry you feel the need to paint a target on me simply because I am the most visible one. I'm sorry you feel like this server is done for, and you're upset about it.

tella, stop feeding vamps. He does every so like it.

k thanks

So do I win!? This is my goal! jajajaja

in your dreams.

Tella - I considered sending this personally, but felt it more appropriately here. Let's put this to rest, eh?

Assuming any of your apologies are sincere and not sarcastic, than I graciously accept. The reason why I never give you my advice on how to fix the server, is that I do not believe it's possible to fix the server under the current mod conditions.

It's impossible to recruit right now. People can't war with their friends (more than 4 at least), and netting is basically a Russian roulette of who can dodge the suiciders and topfeeders the best. Do you know how much easier it would be if you could recruit your friends to fight alongside you without these silly tag rules? Do you know how much easier it would be to recruit netters back to the server if suiciders could be dealt with in hours by multiple tags, as opposed to taking days by one tag? By the time they die, they've done the damage they set out to do.

I think the fundamental flaw with this server was made when mods thought they could dictate what players wanted. They can't, and now a lot of those players are gone. If you are all stuck on this being "team server" with these ridiculous rules, you might as well pull the plug. I think the membership decline has showed how many people are interested in playing under this environment. What has really changed, btw? If TSO tags wanted to kill the netting tags, do you really feel like the current conditions restrict them from doing so?

With all of that said, if for whatever odd reason you feel you can't go back, then do me a favor? Stop making jokes about how you are a terrible mod. Stop joking about how you trashed this server. To a lot of people, it isn't a joke - it's reality. It pisses people off (and I am admittedly the most vocal about it). I used to have a lot of fun here, and now it's garbage.

If you can't change the current conditions here, then at least do yourself a favor and stop poking the angry bears. I'm okay moving on from this server and not paying attention. I've done that successfully for at least a month or so without trolling? When you make posts like you made in this thread, you do not do yourself any favors.

Look wherever or not tell a is a good mod or not of which personally I have had no interaction and have no reason to believe otherwise or tella would not still be a moderator.
As a netter it's added a level of protection that I support

Tso have been the most effected as after running
Mkr
Dbd
Etft


Off from the server there are no other multiple tag teams left and the reality is that there isn't many serious countries left either


What I would say is tella is giving their time up for free to help you have a better gaming experience so cut them some slack if you don't like tella modding this server go play another there's plenty of choice it's clear you aren't enjoying this one any more . Or if you want to play this one appreciate the fact they are only here to help as tella said they did not write the rules and if you don't like them post on bugs and suggestions

Personally I like the fact team is faster paced and a month long and think it should be marketed as a alliance server with this in mind

How many new players wish to play a game for 3 months to see if their any good, a month though they might give a try particular as it limits how quickly they can be outgrown and how long they are viable farm targets.
From about 1k to 2k turns played they get hit hard in team for just over a week. in alliance across 3 months they get hit hard for nearly 4000 turns with people grabbing oop lasting nearly 10 weeks
Which sounds more inviting if your new, a server where no more than 5 people can hit you for just over a week or a clan of 50 plus hitting you for 11 weeks

first: the whole server can farm any given country
second: the longer servers are ~2 months

u do realize there isnt any protection u speak of or of the belief u have it. If TSO or any other tag that had the skilled players that wanted to smack around the netting tags they could do it. the people who it effected the most (TSO) just has people on DNH's

This server has lost members due to the rules yes, however they also lost other people due to the rules that it didnt really effect either.. Before yes, multiple TSO or any other multi tag teams killed faster and harder. Guess what, things still die. Just not as fast or as hard. so theres reason 1 that we lost players. (people kill with their friends who sometimes cant play during the same playing times)

reason 2. suiciders/griefers/assholes (or whatever term Tella wont ask for a technical definition) who hit tags can only be killed by the people who they hit instead of being killed by whoever, friends/secondary team tags, whoever. some people got tired of being being hit and having countries ruined so they quit as well

It was so nice and quiet here until Tella ruined it all

+100

/me runs yelling ELA ELA EH EH EH....

my biggest problem is that i can't, as two friends, me ask boltar to kill a suicider because the "politics" of the game has worked where i may ask and he may accept- you effectively ruined the concept of diplomacy. not you, tella, per se so sorry for that, but the rules. personally i think you're aces, but i much preferred the game where we got to do what we wanted and we were left to ourselves to protect us. which you can ask boltar, it was more than doable, all you needed to do was try.

also, heart joisey.

The biggest problem, honestly, is that it was allowed to just go like this for so long. It would be a completely different atmosphere if 5 man teams meant 5 man teams from the very beginning. I understand not wanting it all changed, despite the fact that that was the original intent of the server..

I was with DBD about 3 years ago and Team server became so pathetic with getting randomly killed every set by teams ganging up together and killing everyone that I quit the server for years. I just returned a few sets ago and the first set back that I played I had 8 restarts. There was no point in playing.

I like the changes. I don't follow all the discussions about it very much but now I can play a country on this server and have fun again without getting killed by 20 countries ganging up as soon as I've put some work in.

You don't have the survival instincts everyone else has/had

The survival instincts you are referring to, Twiz, consist of sucking up to and following leaders. Those leaders, like Boltar, organize their followers to kill the country of any player who refuses to bow to their leadership.

I refused to join your group. I would never join your group. I am an anarchist and refuse to acknowledge the intrinsic right of anyone to govern me, and I follow my own system of ethics. I don't like killing off countries for fun, and so I refused to play the game. In real life I have quit from good jobs because I considered companies such as AT&T, American Express and National Starch & Chemical unworthy and unethical, and I stand in opposition to their actions and values. I have rejected the idea of any government or its police force having some inherent right to tell me what is right and wrong. I acknowledge their threat but not their moral authority.

Yet I have survived.

i dont remember braden ever sucking up to me? nor has anyone from monks when they had a tag (which we didnt run off the server either)

Thats good of you to show such mercy oh Boltar, most omnicient and magananimous protector of the weak!

even being a fluff and sarcastic, u give me to much credit, but ty

what happened is a bunch of stubborn fluffes refused to play the server the way it was intended, so the mods had to crack down, and the crackdown didnt go well.


following rules never was this community's strong suit. that would be complaining about things

those stubbron people are still here ford.. most of TSO is still around.. more quit that wasnt in TSO and the rules changes were designed to help them.. however a suicider can be left alive cause of these new rules as opposed to before, if some people were hit and cant finish the target themselves. my tag and friends plus anyone else wanting to kill the suicider could hit it before.. now nope..

doesnt change the fact that you all were not playing the server the way it was intended.

granted, this is the internet, you can do what you want. however, blaming the mods for tryng to enforce a "spirit of the server" and not accepting any responsibility yourself for not giving the server design an honest shot, is a bit silly.

it wouldnt be a problem if everyone realized that 5 man teams were 5 man teams, and open coordination was non existent. i believe then that mods wouldnt have a problem with teams killing suiciders together. however,you and others created a power block, and had an unfair advantage over everyone else, especially people playing this server as it was intended. you are using platforms to push your agenda. that is fine, but this server's downfall is as much your fault as it is the mods. you were stubborn, they executed their enforcement poorly.

you do realize there were power blocks almost from the start, and tso wasn't there for the first couple years right?

So your rational is that since people were doing it before the spirit wad enforced, you have the right to ignore the new enforcment?

Where did I say TSO was the first and only clan? You are so defensive thet you create arguments where there are none. You are smarter than that.

he wasnt making an arguement, he was stating a fact, and on top of that. when we first got here. we got hit by 2 of the power blocks at once almost.. we just prevailed against them.. and while i will admit i am guilty in leading a power block for 2ish yrs. i wont accept responsibility for the rules change that did drive away warmongers and netters who had to deal with suiciders that we couldnt kill.

" i believe then that mods wouldnt have a problem with teams killing suiciders together."

this line is actually untrue. i have spoken to tella about it in detailed length. if they want it 5 vs 5, thats fine.. ive warred many 5 vs 5's and have killed many untagged or 1 country offenders with only 5 people.. however if they want to protect people like braden who only all-x or landtrade and dont bother no one.. they need to adjust those rules, and i propose the mods make a co-ordination committee of some sort where the mods pick 5 people from various tags that would look into countries (via ingame ops) and see if they are storing up to suicide and take them out before they act and ruin someones fun

You know that wonderful list that Vamps made earlier? The one I went through country by country? How many of them were untagged, and thus open season for everyone to take care of? Nothing is stopping you guys from dealing with those.

The issue is with 'suiciders' playing in a legit tag. And that's where the whole definition of suicider is very important. To some of you guys, being hit without any previous interaction means they were suiciding. If that's the case, the majority of warring tags would be suiciders :P

Speaking out loud here, what if the size limit was bumped up a bit? 6? 8? That would give individual teams a bit more leeway to deal with various situations, and hopefully reduce your desire to play with multiple tags.

i cant speak for other tags who may have more then 1. but i play with friends.. i cant and wont stop people from hanging out in the same irc channel as me and play alongside me in some cases