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tellarion Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 15:13:35

Originally posted by Vamps:
Originally posted by tellarion:
My ONLY interactions with TSO have been after I became a mod. I couldn't care less about TSO, and have ZERO reasons to play favorites on this server. Most of my 'evo friends' quit this server long ago, and many of them play/have played in TSO. So please, enlighten me some more about how I am so biased against TSO?


Why have you deleted TSO multiple times without reason and in nonsensical fashion? Elves, iScode (in prior sets), and now mdevol and akula? Actions speak louder than words.

You love to play the victim, but since your involvement this server has plummeted from what it once was. I find myself actively trying to recruit every set just to replace the people who leave because you are terrible, and everything you touch turns to fluff. You still appear to encourage suiciding and topfeeding, and in turn discourage the people who find netting enjoyable... and since apparently that isn't enough, you also discourage war with random deletions to TSO to chase the war guys out as well.

I thought maybe the community of this server was starting to get through to you. We had some conversation that seemed like you genuinely cared. I know other alliance leaders have as well. So what caused the regression? Why were two countries deleted for killing a topfeeder who had not been hit outside of retals/missiles from other countries that the topfeeder had hit prior? There was no prior war, no prior special attacks of any nature...

I really don't get you. If you are going to try to help the server, then help. If you are going to continue with trigger happy deletions, then please leave. What on earth did you think would happen when you deleted two innocent countries without any explanation and then disappeared for a week? Your actions continue to chase people out of this server, and at this point, the server really cannot afford it.


Unfortunately for me, my arrival on the server coincided with the institution of the new rules. I realize the new rules are unpopular with many people(although definitely not all, and perhaps not even a majority), but I have nothing to do with that. They will be changed/revoked if and when martian and the admins(read: qzjul) decide to do so.

As far as deletions, let's walk through some of them. Elves was a mistake and I apologized and revoked the deletion. That was due to the rules being incredibly loose at the time, and me not understanding the point of the rules at the time. After that incident, I started a long discussion with the other mods and posted the updated version, which was much much much clearer, in an effort to help you help us help you.

Scode's deletion last set was because he deliberately fluffed with another tag to provoke a war. More or less what ingle said in his posts here: http://earthempires.com/...ollude-33179?t=1410411076 This decision was discussed on the mod board, and other mods backed up my decision.

mdevol was deleted another time a while back because he didn't check the news before starting to kill a country. I think another guy followed his lead(or vice versa), and they both joined into a war that was already going on. I don't even remember if I was the one that did it or not, as we had more active mods at that point.

There was another situation a few sets back with euroix that I did NOT delete you guys, because I partially agreed that the rules were not clear enough. I specifically said that I understood your point of view and told you not to do similar things in the future.

And then this set. Pretty much as bstrong said. #72 fluffs with #56. #56 responds with several grabs and 13 CMs and some EMs. About 8 hours later, milfsex jumps in and kills him. That's not even enough time for #72 or his tag to decide an appropriate response. Speaking as a player, if someone retals me like that, then it's on like donkey kong. You guys removed even that simple choice(which he would have taken) by jumping in and killing him. Yes, I realize you think he's a 'suicider' and that you're doing everyone a favor. I urge you to actually look at the news and see his history. Did he topfeed some people? Yes. Did many other people grab him as well? Yes. I personally thinks it's a stretch to call him a suicider for a couple of topfeeds(however annoying they may be).

Of course I knew you wouldn't like that, so I posted it on the mod board and told mdevol to talk to martian, as I wasn't going to reverse my own decision. I'm sorry you didn't get a quicker response, and I'm sorry we can't agree on what's right and what's not. Hell, I'm sorry for a lot of things at this point, because it's equally frustrating for me to be hamstrung trying to do my job, all the while fielding blame either for things that were/are out of my control, or had nothing to do with me. This whole thing is frustrating for everyone involved and there's not a whole lot we can do about it unless qz suddenly gets a lot of freetime, pang comes back fulltime, or they get another programmer(or two).

VicRattlehead Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 16:06:03

Originally posted by mdevol:
Vamps, while i am pissed about the server in general martian said he was going to sort it out and deal with it and HE posted 21 times from that post to me finally saying fluff it 4 days later

Martian fluffed this one up, not tella.

Sure there are other cases where you can say tella messed something up but this is not one of them.



Yeah, it was on Martian to do the explaining here definitely.

Tella, thanks for the clarification. You will note I have never said anything about the deletion itself, I have only criticized the handling of the aftermath. We as a server deserve to know how the rules are being enforced, and if similar actions on the future will continue to lead to deletions.

SuperFly Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 16:40:13

#110 is a suicider, can all the TSO tags attack him and not get deleted?

tellarion Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 16:52:05

Honestly, I think it's time to revisit the policy of not talking about mod actions. I think Warster agrees with me on this point. It doesn't make a huge difference either way, and I don't think it would hurt.

crest23 Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 17:32:39

Originally posted by Vamps:
As helpful as ever, crest. Thanks!


Not so long ago, you and your fellow clowns in TSO were bullying everyone here. So no, I have ZERO compassion for your tears. As the idiot mrford would say, CRY SOME MOAR!
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mrford Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 17:43:58

As pathetic and angry as ever crest. If you couldnt complain or be angry I think you would shrivel up and die. Clearly a sign of advanced intelligence.
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blid

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Oct 14th 2014, 18:45:24

Originally posted by tellarion:
Originally posted by blid:
Tella, you made a historically bad and inaccurate post in Express that was insulting to everyone on that server.


What are you talking about?
You posted that market fluffery has never happened on Express, and that it was just conspiracy theory. As a moderator at the time when Ebert had 10 old countries deleted for being funneled $20 oil every reset and when h2o got deleted because corsair bought $3b of his food while finishing with 100k networth, you'd think you'd know better. It's pretty insulting for a mod to just be completely wrong about the history of the server he moderates, esp when that amounts to smearing the players that brought the oil stuff up in the first place as tinfoil hat wearing cranks.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Oct 14th 2014, 18:50:44

Originally posted by tellarion:
Honestly, I think it's time to revisit the policy of not talking about mod actions. I think Warster agrees with me on this point. It doesn't make a huge difference either way, and I don't think it would hurt.
I absolutely agree. That policy is not my favorite.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Warster Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 22:19:24

Yes I agree with tella, and all servers I now mod (yes yesterday I decided to return to full moderation) will have a sticky post with why a country was deleted, the owner will not be posted tho
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Furious999 Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 22:32:13

Well this is a thread which it is a real pleasure to read (page 2 that is).

To add my two pennyworth I applaud the decision to give brief reasons. But that can be monitored. If, contrary to expectation, giving reasons proves to stir up more ill feeling and controversy than it smooths over then it can be brought to an end.

Mods disclosing that they are human beings and don't always either find decisions easy or agree among themselves is doing no more than acknowledge their membership of the human race.

More power to your elbows, guys. And thank you for your time and trouble.

Edited By: Furious999 on Oct 14th 2014, 23:20:00
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Getafix Game profile

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Oct 14th 2014, 23:04:36

**hides tinfoil hat behind the couch**

Thanks blid! Those damn cheaters!

Viceroy Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 0:07:48

Originally posted by Warster:
Yes I agree with tella, and all servers I now mod (yes yesterday I decided to return to full moderation) will have a sticky post with why a country was deleted, the owner will not be posted tho

While I still consider it a half-measure, this is a major step in the right direction.
And, Monsters, do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an ass.

Vamps Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 0:22:21

Originally posted by tellarion:
Honestly, I think it's time to revisit the policy of not talking about mod actions. I think Warster agrees with me on this point. It doesn't make a huge difference either way, and I don't think it would hurt.


I think that's a step in the right direction.

I also think the rules themselves need to be revisited. What the hell is the point in defending a two man tag who does nothing but topfeed and suicide? What the hell is the point in defending suiciders at all? Why can't allies of tags help kill a country to minimize the damage that country is doing, to countries that were trying to net? I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but none of these rules make any fluffing sense. I absolutely hate netting on this server. It's boring as hell to me. SO WHY CAN'T I KILL SUICIDERS AND TOPFEEDERS WHO HIT MY FRIENDS?

The rules were put into place to stop TSO. I get it - TSO had become a problem. They (myself included for a while) were killing the same people set after set, and those people were starting to leave due to attrition. The people warring TSO didn't feel a need for peace or diplomacy, and TSO made them burn for it until they left. It went too far. I get it.

Take a look at the server now... those tags ARE ALL GONE. Those netters are now netting in other tags, half of which are ironically asking for TSO or other war tags to help them now. There is diplomacy, there is some decency. So who in the hell are you actually helping with these rules changes at this point?

Now all anyone can do is watch the chaos ensue. Take action against the chaos? Deleted. Help your friends? Deleted. Do anything outside of hitting the explore/cash/tech button? Risk being deleted.

...and the server continues to hemorrhage players. There has to be a better solution than what has been jammed down our throats. It clearly is not working.

crest23 Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 14:28:51

As I recall, the last few sets I played here, we laid waste to TSO. I got more land in my last 2-3 sets from you guys, with absolute impunity I might add cause it was less risky for me to farm you guys than it was to hit the explore button, than in my entire existence on this server.

Originally posted by Vamps:
half of which are ironically asking for TSO to help them now.


So you are saying TSO still exists? Then the mods still have a reason to gun for your guys.

This your inability to understand what cheating is worries me. I think the best way to educate you on it is for you to go play Express for a few set and understand the concept of playing solo. Learn a thing or 2 about diplomacy.
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tellarion Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 16:43:03

Originally posted by blid:
Originally posted by tellarion:
Originally posted by blid:
Tella, you made a historically bad and inaccurate post in Express that was insulting to everyone on that server.


What are you talking about?
You posted that market fluffery has never happened on Express, and that it was just conspiracy theory. As a moderator at the time when Ebert had 10 old countries deleted for being funneled $20 oil every reset and when h2o got deleted because corsair bought $3b of his food while finishing with 100k networth, you'd think you'd know better. It's pretty insulting for a mod to just be completely wrong about the history of the server he moderates, esp when that amounts to smearing the players that brought the oil stuff up in the first place as tinfoil hat wearing cranks.


Please point out this post. Considering I was the one who pushed qz and then zarcon to investigate some of the market issues, that would make zero sense for me to claim that it never happened...

tellarion Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 16:44:02

In addition, until this week, I have barely been posting on express talk...

Getafix Game profile

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Oct 15th 2014, 21:56:21

I was trying to be nice to tella, but my bullfluff meter just went off the chart again.

Anyway, here is a copy of the post I made to start the thread "Conspiracy Theories" on Sept 8:

Originally posted by Getafix:
I have to disagree completely with this post of tellarion's:

Originally posted by tellarion:
If you have actual evidence, we can have it investigated by the admins. In the past, there has never been intentional market fluffery, just one person intending to screw with you conspiracy theorists, and/or morons who don't know how to play well.


As blid mentioned, Ebert00 owned up to the $21 oil scam and was purpled. The $7000 tech sale was investigated by iZarcon who has access to market tools and data about who bought and sold what. blid says that he said that he was 99% certaint that CX LaE was cheating.

So while we welcome them back and look forward to playing the game with them, lets not just make fun of the conspiracy theorists and pretend that their theories were foolish and wrong. Because, I was right.


Vamps Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 1:14:21

Originally posted by crest23:

Originally posted by Vamps:
half of which are ironically asking for TSO to help them now.


So you are saying TSO still exists? Then the mods still have a reason to gun for your guys.

This your inability to understand what cheating is worries me. I think the best way to educate you on it is for you to go play Express for a few set and understand the concept of playing solo. Learn a thing or 2 about diplomacy.


Careful crest, keep talking like that and you'll be the next mod at this rate ;-)

Sorry you're still butthurt about your alliance dying. Your desire to make this a solo server doesn't mesh with the fact that it's an alliance server (ingame, at least)

crest23 Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 1:43:29

It's not an alliance server. When you understand the concept of playing solo, you will then understand how to play your team solo.
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tellarion Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 13:24:11

Originally posted by Getafix:
I was trying to be nice to tella, but my bullfluff meter just went off the chart again.

Anyway, here is a copy of the post I made to start the thread "Conspiracy Theories" on Sept 8:

Originally posted by Getafix:
I have to disagree completely with this post of tellarion's:

Originally posted by tellarion:
If you have actual evidence, we can have it investigated by the admins. In the past, there has never been intentional market fluffery, just one person intending to screw with you conspiracy theorists, and/or morons who don't know how to play well.


As blid mentioned, Ebert00 owned up to the $21 oil scam and was purpled. The $7000 tech sale was investigated by iZarcon who has access to market tools and data about who bought and sold what. blid says that he said that he was 99% certaint that CX LaE was cheating.

So while we welcome them back and look forward to playing the game with them, lets not just make fun of the conspiracy theorists and pretend that their theories were foolish and wrong. Because, I was right.




You're right, sorry. I forgot about ebert and his friend :/ I absolutely shouldn't have said that. I should have said of the cases we've investigated, only one was any sort of intentional market abuse. The rest were people fluffing around, or morons not knowing what they're doing.

tellarion Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 13:25:36

blid being 99% certain doesn't mean it actually happened, btw. blid was 100% certain ford was funneling cash to cx, and at least in the cases that zarcon investigated, blid was wrong. He posted as much, but you guys didn't believe him, I guess.

crest23 Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 14:19:47

That's the thing though, blid was 100% right that ford was funneling cash to CX, AND HE WAS. It just couldn't be proven that it was deliberate that's all.
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tellarion Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 15:25:11

Originally posted by crest23:
That's the thing though, blid was 100% right that ford was funneling cash to CX, AND HE WAS. It just couldn't be proven that it was deliberate that's all.


Funneling would imply he was deliberately trying to direct the cash to cx. Cx benefitted, but so did many many other people....

tellarion Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 15:31:16

You know what? I wasn't even the one who deleted elves all those months ago, haha.

mdevol Game profile

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Oct 16th 2014, 16:34:54

Easy tella, lets not let facts get in the way of a good trolling...
Surely what a man does when he is caught off his guard is the best evidence as to what sort of man he is. - C.S. Lewis

elvesrus

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Oct 16th 2014, 16:59:15

Originally posted by tellarion:
You know what? I wasn't even the one who deleted elves all those months ago, haha.


I knew that all those months ago
Originally posted by crest23:
Elves is a douche on every server.