tella, red, warster... fluffy works too

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:25:19

this is a solo server, any discussion you have should be held in the presence of anybody whom wishes to join, ie, held entirely and wholly in public

his "need to talk" needs to be carried out for all of us to be involved..

unless, of course, you'd ask i make a tella, red, warster, elves... fluffy works, too, thread?

Vamps

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:33:29

These new rules are going to turn this server into a suiciding frenzy. A country can suicide or consistently topfeed 3 or 4 tags, and only the first tag who hits back is able to try to kill it? How does that make any sense?

Something needs to be done about this or it's going to turn into a tire fire pretty quickly... and when people get tired and frustrated here, it's only a matter of time before it starts spilling over into other servers as well. While the mods don't seem to think this server matters enough to take the time to think out rules which actually make sense, a lot of us play here exclusively, or play here with far more passion than we play in other servers.

I hope there is a real attempt to fix things before they get really, really ugly. I really hope I don't end up referring to this post as an "I told you so" moment.

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:35:35

Vamps, the way I see it, all the tags who have been given cause to kill the person can attempt to kill the person. They can't coordinate with each other, but they all can wage war doing whatever hostile ops/attacks they want. So how is there a problem?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:37:24

Originally posted by martian:

so if one team attacks 5 different teams, all 5 teams can hit back. Poor gameplay decisions are not against the rules:P

Clear enough right? I think what you people keep arguing about and being afraid of is NOT how the server will actually be moderated.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:39:38

"These new rules are going to turn this server into a suiciding frenzy. A country can suicide or consistently topfeed 3 or 4 tags, and only the first tag who hits back is able to try to kill it? How does that make any sense?"

the idea is that our [now] active moderator team will see that this one person picked the fight, and multiple tags DID NOT decide to work together to kill him--- even if, by chance, GS's work together.. the country being killed put ITSELF in the position to be killed, and that position was not forced upon him, ie, tags clearly or obviously working towards the goal of nothing but working together.

certainly this is understood by the admins, yes???

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:40:20

yep, i agree with you braden. you are correct, as far as i know.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

braden

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:40:30

blid is correct

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:40:30

thanks for making my arguments for me blid. the problem is that apparently what martian said there doesn't apply in practice.

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

braden

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:40:41

hah, fun!!!

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:41:24

btw, my appeal is strictly the 4 defends from the country I finished off. my country is RED STORM (#1)

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:46:14

Well elves, I support your appeal. You were hit 4 times and you should have the right to kill that country. What's weird to me is that YOU got deleted, but QzjulSex did not. They are the ones that didn't have proper cause to kill that country. You did. I could see you being deleted if it was determined you coordinated that fluff with qzjulsex, you know, discussed it on IRC or on clan forums or whatever. Which I believe you may have.

But if there's no proof of that, your country should be judged clean and fair and legit. Not so sure about the qzjulsex countries. I think they killed that country for its attacks on other Sex tags, which = multi-tag bs. I'm not totally sure tella understands the coordination rules the way I know martian and galleri do. If you have your own reason to attack someone, it should not be judged coordination when you do! (Again, unless there's proof you arranged something with other people.)

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Vamps

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:48:06

elves was hit 4 times by an untagged, who was then two stepped by a netting tag. With no chance to get his land back, he did hits on the country so that the same thing couldn't happen to someone else (or to him, again.) He was deleted for it.

TSO's concern this entire time was that the mods are not trying to improve the server or make it fair. They are trying to find excuses to delete TSO, because the friends of the mods play in netting tags that TSO killed. Tella just proved all of those concerns are valid with a bias deletion.

As I said earlier, the mods are being inconsistent and not taking the time to implement rules fairly. If this fluff keeps happening, things are going to escalate really, really quickly.

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:49:40

Qzjulsex had no real reason to KR that guy imo.

I do think elves did.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:50:33

if there was coordination between myself and the other tag it would have died a lot sooner with fewer defends :)

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:51:33

Well elves, I support you. Coordination never in the past has meant "first ones to attack someone are the only ones allowed to attack someone." Anyone with legit cause should be allowed to make attacks. (Qzjulsex did NOT have legit cause btw.) Good luck with your appeal

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Vamps

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:53:31

2014-03-21 10:13 Gummy Bears on Crack (#121) Qzjul WantsMyMoccasins (#45) [QzjulSEX] PS 716A (+210A)

That country also topfed QzjulSEX. If I was playing and it had hit my tag, I would have killed it too.

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:55:12

For a single hit? LOL. That KR attempt was OBVIOUSLY based on #121's other attacks

and btw, that country he hit had no def/net, it was only a "topfeed" in that the country that was hit was fat as fluff. Gummy Bears though had as much net as the country he was attacking.

Edited By: blid on Mar 24th 2014, 3:57:47
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Vamps

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:57:56

A blatant topfeed from an untagged country on an established alliance?

Untagged countries get killed in alliance server for far less than that...

tellarion

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Mar 24th 2014, 3:59:30

I'll be around later tonight and we can talk more in detail. I pretty much specifically warned you against exactly this type of situation, however...

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:00:41

That country had 9k land on 1m net. The only thing that qualifies the hit as a topfeed is that the country being hit was FAT. How exactly would anyone be killed for less? What exactly IS less? What's less than a single tap on a fat country? What falls under that description? Btw, this isn't Alliance. Alliance has clans of 20 or so people. This is a server of 5-person clans. I'd think 5-person clans wouldn't operate under the same rules as 20-person clans.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:01:51

you warned me not to do it for a tagmate getting grabbed once(which I stayed away from), not me getting grabbed 4 times.

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:03:44

Originally posted by tellarion:

I'll be around later tonight and we can talk more in detail. I pretty much specifically warned you against exactly this type of situation, however...

Hi tella, I encourage you to talk to the other mods, specifically galleri and martian. Coordination should not mean a person is forbidden from killing a guy who 4x tapped him.

i posted this yesterday:
"if you do something for reasons that apply to your own personal country, you will not run afoul of anti-coordination rules. it's so simple and so clean."

apparently my simple and clean definition was wrong, but it shouldn't be... that's the metric you should be using to determine coordination. It makes sense, doesn't it? I'm not sure that what you're doing (forbidding someone from fighting back against a country that has attacked them because someone else has already hit that person??) makes sense.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

SuperFly

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:08:39

Mods FTW??????????

blid

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:08:49

and I will add, for the last 6 months or whatever, the definition I gave has been the one the mods have ruled by on Primary and Express. galleri and martian have used that rule for a long time, it's not just something I made up.

qzjulsex's hits are suspect (kr for a 1x tap??)
elves's hits are legit (war/kr for a 4x tap, well yeah!)

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

SuperFly

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:21:23

blid bro, just let them get deleted stop fighting their cause

Boltar

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:21:53

[11:40] <@Tellarion> if you want to join a conflict that is ongoing, you're gonna need justification

country #1 had justification

blid

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:23:29

Originally posted by SuperFly:

blid bro, just let them get deleted stop fighting their cause

wrong guy got deleted.

elves had a justification.

im kind of surprised tella doesn't understand how coordination should work. guess he's never played solo servers?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

iScode

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:26:02

sooo a country can hit you 4 times and you cant kill them, cool mods, great server

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DEATH TO SOV!

Boltar

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:28:13

according to tella via irc.. first tag who hits has claims to hit that tag only unless someone has justification just like elves did may they join in .. and my tag is the QzSEX tag.. mods have the power to check all ingame messages.. check my tags message.. i messaged them to attack #121 asap with the break to finish him off before he got online.. as elves has stated.. if their was co-ordination it would have been dead ALOT faster

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:29:23

superfly, blid is being about as unbiased as I've seen him with this. if you know the history we've had on this server, you would know as a general rule he hates me and everything I stand for.

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:31:30

i think what this server needs are 2 things:

1. clearer rules

both individuals and tags have the right to retal for unsolicited harm done. and give scenarios.

2. clearer retal policies

for example, if a tag is 1:kill policy, or kill on topfeed policy, then there's no argument. post these when the set starts, and we can keep a thread sticky for these policies.

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:31:38

lol elves, i dont recall interacting with you much before? although i do hate tso.

Originally posted by Boltar:

let me just say, coordination rules haven't worked that way in the past (ie first person has dibs!). this is a new interpretation.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:34:06

Originally posted by blid:

lol elves, i dont recall interacting with you much before? although i do hate tso.

Originally posted by Boltar:

let me just say, coordination rules haven't worked that way in the past (ie first person has dibs!). this is a new interpretation.

haha not everyone in tso are bad, blid =)

but having considered what boltar says.. it makes sense. if a tag wants to declare war for fluff knows what reason, it shouldnt be a deletable offense. it's not coordination, it's just grudge or random killing, which is not against the rules. even if they are suspicious in their approach, they shouldnt be deleted for killing said country.

elvesrus

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:34:12

that's pretty much it, and I was essentially the forum face of TSO for a long time :)

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:39:12

Originally posted by hsifreta:

Originally posted by blid:

lol elves, i dont recall interacting with you much before? although i do hate tso.

Originally posted by Boltar:

let me just say, coordination rules haven't worked that way in the past (ie first person has dibs!). this is a new interpretation.

er, the idea is that you should be able to attack/kill people who have given you cause. why shouldn't you be able to if there's valid cause, right?

the idea is NOT that you should just be able to do whatever you want. you shouldn't be allowed to kill someone because they, for example, 4x tapped someone in ANOTHER clan.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

tellarion

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:43:40

Blid, this isn't a solo server.

Boltar

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:44:38

the country that died, did hit someone in my tag, many people have killed over 1 grab before, countless times thru out the history of this game

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:45:50

Originally posted by tellarion:

Blid, this isn't a solo server.

No, but the clans do operate by solo rules, do they not? Each clan/tag is a "player"?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:46:22

Tella, go get feedback from martian and galleri ASAP. Deleting a player for attacking a person that 4x grabbed them is insane. How can you tell them they can't attack that country?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Mar 24th 2014, 4:58:19

what if qzjulsex policy is 1 : kill

Boltar

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:00:50

according to tella as per my logs that everyone in #Earthempires that morning has.. u can retal as per ur policy. regardless of how outlandish or simple it is

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:01:59

I don't recall a 1:kill policy having been publicized?

But in any case, the most messed up thing isn't that qzjulsex still is alive, it's that a guy got deleted for attacking someone who 4x tapped him. Tellarion surprises me with such strange decisions.

Edited By: blid on Mar 24th 2014, 5:04:07
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:11:06

Originally posted by blid:

Originally posted by hsifreta:

Originally posted by blid:

lol elves, i dont recall interacting with you much before? although i do hate tso.

Originally posted by Boltar:

let me just say, coordination rules haven't worked that way in the past (ie first person has dibs!). this is a new interpretation.

there's no rules against random killing. just against teams working together. to avoid being killed by a war tag, pacting and negotiations generally do the job. as far as i know, Sex tags share the same DNH, and we have tags and solo countries on our DNH. Anyone that cared to pact/request DNH at the beginning of the set were put on DNH.

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:13:55

denied. =P

Edited By: hsifreta on Mar 24th 2014, 5:16:21
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Mar 24th 2014, 5:14:24

Originally posted by hsifreta:

Sex tag policies: http://earthempires.com/...licies-30560?t=1395637592

It saves room to post all our policies together, and to work through 2 FRs rather than 8. Plus we keep our members under control, unlike some tags we know.

Qzjulsex is not Roughsex, or are you admitting you guys are all one tag? If so every one of you should have been deleted already.

Edited By: blid on Mar 24th 2014, 5:23:15
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:15:58

ah my mistake i misread the following line:

"Anyone wishing to be DNH with us and other sexy tags only needs to talk me or Boltar and make sure your members are under control."

hsifreta

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:17:46

i was under the impression that TSO likes to war, and so dont give us a reason to =) We do offer DNH if you apply through the usual means.

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Mar 24th 2014, 5:22:01

Originally posted by hsifreta:

i was under the impression that TSO likes to war, and so dont give us a reason to =) We do offer DNH if you apply through the usual means.

What's TSO? There should be no TSO anymore. There should be a RoughSex, a QzjulSex, a fluffSex, etc, whatever. There should be no more unified 5+ member group.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.