I can see how it might be confusing for you guys in SoL that our restarts might be capable of turning this war around and killing you all, seeing how it's been years since you've won a fair fight and all.

I must have been smoking crack when I expected you guys to honor the CF that you made with Rahl. You couldn't grace us with a DoW, why would you stop attacking us 3 days after we're all dead and you said you were done?

I'd just like to offer a toast now:

To the biggest douchebags the game has seen in a long time. *raises his beer*

I don't really want to get much into this sort of discussion.... but I'll try to steer the conversation away from the inflammatory things here and towards something more constructive....

I've started talking with some of the SoL leaders about ways in which we can create an environment where everyone can thrive. I think everyone on both sides realize that these types of wars are just bad for all involved.... major win one set for one side, complete loss the next set, lather, rinse, repeat.

This is something which myself and a few other non-partisan staffers want to initiate, as we feel it's a good time to move forward as we prep to expand the community.

There are a plethora of things that need to be done to make this server successful again, but we need to begin taking those steps together so we can move out of perpetual cycle of having the same wars reset after reset -- regardless of who anyone thinks is to blame.

To the biggest whiner this forum has ever seen. *raises beer*

@Pang
Yeah, meanwhile SoL has violated their CF. I just thought AT should be aware of the level of douchebaggery points SoL has accumulated lately.

Score so far this set:
--FSing two alliances that together are half their size
--Pacting everyone else so the two small alliances cannot get any help from anyone
--Violating a CF on an alliance that's been tag killed for 3 days and never stood a chance to begin with
--Not still attacking EVO, so we can infer that the CF violation is deliberate and not the work of noobs that haven't gotten word that hostilities had ended.

Sons of Liberty
Members: 70
TNW: 313.48M
ANW: 4.48M

The Death Knights
Members: 8
TNW: 2.89M
ANW: 0.36M


@Klown
DIAF.

PDM is not pacted to SOL, but we're too busy hugging trees to get involved anyways. Besides, if we helped, we'd probably make you guys lose faster. =P

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DK!

Pang, if you could get the leaders of SoL to leave, I think that would create an awesome environment where everyone can thrive. :D

Death Knights got into the war last set on their own accord, not to mention Xelahs posts on this board im not suprised at all that SoL thrashed them, infact if SoL hadnt done so im sure someone else would have

and I dont seem to recall DKnights etc leaving our restarts alone last set so i dont see why theyd give you that respect in return

fluff!

We never promised a cf last set and then continued attacking after the cf was called. I messaged Tir Na SOL (#655) about this and got this back.......

Message from Tir Na SOL (#655) sent on 04/28/2010 23:04:01
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My orders say Farm at will until the top guys are all out of Vacation --

I will tell you no DK has went on vacation we took the beating and restarted instead of hiding like others have done in the past. If this shows what SOL is really like I am glad I never went with them when EE started because this shows they really don't know how to play the game they just want to BULLY a bunch of other players around.

"Death Knights got into the war last set on their own accord, not to mention Xelahs posts on this board im not suprised at all that SoL thrashed them, "

Correction: Post. Not "posts"
Everything I've said to/about SoL up to this point has been in good fun. Such as composing SoL's war declaration for them. If you can't smell the fluff on that, you need your nose examined. I've posted ONCE about our war with SoL prior to this. Get your facts straight.





"infact if SoL hadnt done so im sure someone else would have"

Hmmm, besides SoL, clans DK has gotten into disagreements with this set....
1) EVO- wouldn't have fought over it without further provocation
2) SoF- is on the fluff list with most of DK's DPs due to your pact breaking last set and we'd probably have to turn people away.

So we've got us a fairly even fight and us being on the winning side of a gangbang. So, who exactly was going to thrash us besides SoL?




"and I dont seem to recall DKnights etc leaving our restarts alone last set so i dont see why theyd give you that respect in return"

Death Knights offered SoL/NS a CF after you were all tag killed. We saw no point in continuing the fighting. You refused, stop crying about your restarts when the fault is your own.

"you're not actually taking the beating with dignity if you're on here whining about it. "


So you're saying we have no reason to be upset about SoL violating their CF agreement? Get real.

Seek life elsewhere, troll.

That doesn't even make sense.

No, you just need time to learn what cause-effect relationships are. There are always negative comments about anyone, whether that person wants them or not.

Example:
President Obama, Adored in Europe, hated on Fox News.

you two should text each other.

No, I'm pretty familiar with getting tag killed after annoying another alliance. I was in imag for 5 years.

And yes, you do need to learn about cause-effect relationships. Such knowledge would help in times like this when you're trying to put together an argument you want anyone to take seriously.

Pang has good intentions, but alliances should be held responsible for what they say. I don't see why we should necessarily avoid passionate trash talking. I don't have any direct knowledge of this particular incident though, but I can confirm what Xelah is saying. EVO and Dknights didn't fight as a favor to collab, basically.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Have a peek at Collab's contacts page then come back and post again. Pay careful attention to the name just under Hardy

http://hosting.boxcarhosting.net:443/...l/viewPage.php?pageID=108




That's a totally official war declaration.... assuming Collab declares war for SoL these days. Just when I thought you wouldn't be able to make me laugh too.

Confirmed Collab now makes SoL's War decs

I knew it!

In retaliation for this, DK is now making all of Rage's war decs, and Rage hereby declares war on LaF. Take that Collab!

I would retal by declaring war on one of your friends but we all know DK has no friends

Yes, once our parents stopped paying people to hang out with us, it was very traumatic.

at least we can all still have fun with your mom ;)

As long as you remember to leave the money at the end of the night I don't care how much fun you have with her.

That is NOT a SOL DoW.

Confirmed, Sol is worthless

Based on how it was phrased, yes.

threads like this makes me feel all warm and fluffy. :S

What Hobo really means is that only I am allowed to post war decs from SoL

heh :P

this is the situation where things get dicey.

Alliance 1 and alliance 2 are at war.
alliance 3 decides to hit alliance 1 for whatever the reason (maybe at the request of alliance 2 or maybe just because). Alliance 3 is much smaller than alliance 1.

Reset ends with alliance 1 getting tag killed.

The following set alliance 1 decides to take it out on alliance 3 because alliance 3 decided to participate in their war. Alliance 3 gets upset because alliance 1 is significantly larger than them.

I've seen this scenario played politically multiple times with a whole variety of combinations. Is alliance 1 in the right to hit alliance 3 or not?

When I lead SoF I openly admit we were not consistent in how we dealt with that situation. Sometimes we would wait a couple of sets and then beat the tar out of alliance 3, sometimes we would just let it go. In other cases we would talk to alliance 3 and get some other favor out of them in return.

There is no easy answer to this but I think this situation is clearly different than hitting a smaller tag out of the blue for no reason. You get involved with a tag already at war you have to expect that there are going to be repercussions to you down the line.

I think its more simple martian.

Collab/NA/EVO hate SOL/SOF for making them war every set and being generally dishonest.

SOL/SOF hate Collab/NA/EVO for crushing them in war set after set.

The problem is there is no way for us to stop you from warring us certainly, and given the skill level you guys have exhibited you wouldn't beat our side in a war anytime soon either. So I don't see this situation ending...

Unfortunately Martian your scenario doesnt fit here

Alliance 1 and 2 are at war

Alliance 1 is getting pounded so they call in alliance 3 and 4

Alliance 2 has a small alliance 5 come to there aid and later 6 and 7 join

Next set

Alliance 1 Allie alliance 2 and 6 so they can hit the much smaller alliance of 5 and 7

Now my question is who r the Bigger Douche Bags? Alliance one for trying to get some vengence

OR

Alliance 2 for allowing the people who came to there aid, to get pummeled after they had helped alliance 2?

lmao

But DK never asked me for a CF ,so all your points are moot Xelah

i will quote what i told Hellz
"Praetor{NLS} SOL FR ‎(25.04.2010 22:51):
after the originals die we can talk about it, but shouldt be a problem"

Also, if you had contacted me for one, i would have given you one, and like i told Rahl, id even offer to police for you when this was done.

After all this AT bashing from your leadership, im not so sure i want to be nice anymore.



Praetor
SOL Head of FR

SoL just likes feeling like they can win something. Gotta throw 'em a bone every once in a while. Don't worry guys, you're champs in my book. :)

AoS speaks da trufe

Well good thing I never plan on netting when I play this game. They can kill me all they want but I will never leave.

Praetor I talked to you and Maki both, no need to bring it up cause who cares

Your alliance (i see a Pres, a VP and a head of war) is bringing it up, your saying we broke a CF that doest exist.

Xelah`s main point is that we didt honor this "CF"

Please tell me, when did i say that we had a CF ?

I said we could talk about one, but neither of you contacted me (Your head of FA ist even replying me so)

Wow, martian's making sense! The moon is made of cheese!


And yes, he's right DK/Evo.. as much as you would like to jump into a war, have your fun and go on your merry way (crowing about whata great warring entity you are, or in Slappits case, that he is the best warchat leader EVAH), your participation means you have to expect to either cut a deal with the alliance you hit or prepare for the consequences. You did neither very well, and you have the gall to come on here and piss and moan for over a week.

Shut up please.

yeah im sure most of your DP's would have stopped netgaining if sof had wanted to trash you Xelah

or not

lol@bobby

your skill level must suck if you didnt beat SoL this set then, since we've lost our wars with pretty much the same numbers towards us

gj!

Ivan before you speak check your facts. Kthxbye.

bobby: that's not really it at all but there is no point in rehashing the same arguments over and over.

You people did not just compare each other to Obama, did you?

yeah cause im sure you know more about the facts then I do warkitty, did you get them from Xelah?

Dk rahl or whatshisname should keep his newbies on a shorter leech on AT you guys have enough problem as its without adding more

fluff!

maybe they were implying that who trust on them are suckers? :P

Duh, who would think that the oppressors know why they are oppressing? No one!