Originally
posted by
braden:
"to suggest that we've been down this road before - of thinking of certain groups as less than human"
so you admit, the kkk are equally as human, equally as deserving rights, or forgiveness, or adoration, or respect, or the ability freely and openly to verbalize their thoughts without the fear or threat of vitriol or hatred so associated with being proud of your white skin?
so, trife, you support the rights of the racist right?
:P
I'M NOT TRIFE, TO WHOM THIS QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED, BUT I'LL TAKE A SWING AT IT ANYWAY.
IN SHORT: YES. (SEE, I'M NOT A POLITICIAN SO I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT STATEMENTS THAT CAN BE TAKEN WILDLY OUT OF CONTEXT! PLUS I HAVE A SECRET IDENTITY!!! HA!)
MORE ACCURATELY: YES, WITH CAVEATS. THE RACIST HUMAN IS STILL IN FACT A HUMAN, AND AS SUCH HAS HUMAN RIGHTS! HE DOES NOT FORFEIT THOSE RIGHTS BY BEING AN IGNORANT MISGUIDED PIECE OF fluff! NOW, YOUR SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THE KKK, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT! THOSE PEOPLE TOOK THINGS FARTHER. THEY INFRINGED ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, INCLUDING THE ULTIMATE RIGHT TO LIVE, AND AS SUCH MAY FORFEIT THEIR OWN!
IT IS NOT COMPLICATED -- YOUR RIGHT TO SWING YOUR FIRST ENDS WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS!
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO NOT SUFFER SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU OFFEND.
APPLY THOSE TWO SENTENCES TO YOUR KKK EXAMPLE:
NO, THERE IS NOTHING TO STOP THE KKK FROM VERBALIZING VILE THOUGHTS.
NO, THEY CANNOT DO SO WITHOUT FEAR OF HATRED AND VITRIOL. THEY CAN DO SO WITHOUT FEAR OF *GOING TO JAIL* FOR EXPRESSING THEIR IDEAS.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOCIETAL CONSEQUENCE AND LEGAL CONSEQUENCE. NOWHERE IN THIS DUCK DYNASTY KER
fluffLE HAVE WE SEEN ANYTHING APPROACHING LEGAL CONSEQUENCE (I'M NOT TALKING CONTRACT LAW, WHICH IS JUST FORMALIZED SOCIETAL, I'M TALKING CRIMINAL). PEOPLE WHO INVOKE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT MOMENTS LIKE THESE LACK AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT DIFFERENCE (AND AS SUCH ARE LESS THAN HUMAN AND NOT DESERVING OF MY RESPECT, ADORATION, AND SHARING OF MY BEER! HA!)
HA!
BILL
TL;DR VERSION: READ THE POST DIRECTLY ABOVE THAT WAS MADE BY MOBSTER WHILE I TYPED THIS RANT.