I would make one small correction to this. The only rights you actually have are the ones you are willing to fight for. If you rely on your government to defend your rights, you are indeed powerless to stop the erosion of your rights.

If you give a government all the power it needs to provide you with everything you desire, that same government now has the power to take away everything you have.

See, you were doing just fine until you posted this. This is half the problem, people splitting hairs over trivial bullfluff.

"It's Censorship!", "No it's not because they did air the episode", I'd like to point out that they removed him from the air for his commentary, and that is clearly what i would call censorship, just because they let it through the first time and have taken proactive steps to eliminate the possiblity in the future, and to provide incentive for the rest of the cast to be more cognizant of what they let out of their mouths, does not make it "not censorship" in my book.

When you have to worry about every detail of every word that passes your lips, we are all damned.

i hope he sues A&E. and he has enuff money without the show to tie it up in court and win

bolty -
disney wallet + hearst family's wallet > phil robertson's wallet

we are talking about someone with maybe 10 million liquid cash vs the hearsts, generational BILLIONAIRES and disney corp (you think a & e is just owned by a & e ? )

they would flip him upside down and own him silly if they wanted to :)

like the rest of the world, we weren't beating donitz any time soon. instead, we out ran him, or beat him with numbers and will power and willingness to die. we didn't need to air craft carrier our way across the atlantic, scode, we weren't island hoping in the fluffing pacific. our navy was built to do what we needed it to do. and england and the bolshevik pricks had bullets to shoot because of us.

(and american money, of course)

"Third largest Navy on the planet? Are you talking simply hull displacement or total amount of ships?"

technically i am talking everybody elses was at the bottom of the baltic, atlantic, pacific or indian :P

it's funny because everybody was killing everybody

(and vic, walt disney hated the jews.. a bostin catholic.. i'd tread lightly :P)

I think some of the aspects of gay pride is quite silly. Mainly the parades where there are people running around in just their member enhancing undies. I think that undermines everything gay pride festivities were meant to display. But, meh, it's still nice to look at.. ;)


and if people couldn't see that iScode was just being super sarcastic, then you need to remove head from anal cavity ;)

I used to like talking about politics but I recently realized I do not at all care what other people think.

I have never seen this show. I had no idea who this guy was before today, but I want you to know how serious I am when I say...
I wish I could grow a beard like that!

sure, i like poking fun at you canucks, but i think it's clearly seen that it's done as a joke. i dont think you'll ever find where i've complained that you guys have basic human rights :P or that you guys don't deserve them at all. come on, meow

i'd like to think that scode was joking, or that i just missed a clearly sarcastic post, but with his past posting history i dont believe that to be the case

this thread makes me sad. such closed minded views. oh well, i'll take solace in the fact that the ol' bigots are losing ground. each and every day we are getting closer to treating everyone equally. bigots couldn't stop the civil rights movement, and try as they might, they won't stop the gay rights movement either :)

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

I'M NOT TRIFE, TO WHOM THIS QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED, BUT I'LL TAKE A SWING AT IT ANYWAY.

IN SHORT: YES. (SEE, I'M NOT A POLITICIAN SO I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT STATEMENTS THAT CAN BE TAKEN WILDLY OUT OF CONTEXT! PLUS I HAVE A SECRET IDENTITY!!! HA!)

MORE ACCURATELY: YES, WITH CAVEATS. THE RACIST HUMAN IS STILL IN FACT A HUMAN, AND AS SUCH HAS HUMAN RIGHTS! HE DOES NOT FORFEIT THOSE RIGHTS BY BEING AN IGNORANT MISGUIDED PIECE OF fluff! NOW, YOUR SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THE KKK, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT! THOSE PEOPLE TOOK THINGS FARTHER. THEY INFRINGED ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, INCLUDING THE ULTIMATE RIGHT TO LIVE, AND AS SUCH MAY FORFEIT THEIR OWN!

IT IS NOT COMPLICATED -- YOUR RIGHT TO SWING YOUR FIRST ENDS WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS!

THERE IS NO RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED.
THERE IS NO RIGHT TO NOT SUFFER SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU OFFEND.

APPLY THOSE TWO SENTENCES TO YOUR KKK EXAMPLE:
NO, THERE IS NOTHING TO STOP THE KKK FROM VERBALIZING VILE THOUGHTS.
NO, THEY CANNOT DO SO WITHOUT FEAR OF HATRED AND VITRIOL. THEY CAN DO SO WITHOUT FEAR OF *GOING TO JAIL* FOR EXPRESSING THEIR IDEAS.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOCIETAL CONSEQUENCE AND LEGAL CONSEQUENCE. NOWHERE IN THIS DUCK DYNASTY KERfluffLE HAVE WE SEEN ANYTHING APPROACHING LEGAL CONSEQUENCE (I'M NOT TALKING CONTRACT LAW, WHICH IS JUST FORMALIZED SOCIETAL, I'M TALKING CRIMINAL). PEOPLE WHO INVOKE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT MOMENTS LIKE THESE LACK AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT DIFFERENCE (AND AS SUCH ARE LESS THAN HUMAN AND NOT DESERVING OF MY RESPECT, ADORATION, AND SHARING OF MY BEER! HA!)

HA!
BILL

TL;DR VERSION: READ THE POST DIRECTLY ABOVE THAT WAS MADE BY MOBSTER WHILE I TYPED THIS RANT.

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PIX OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

HA!
BILL

Right and wrong in this situation is not determined by legal standards. It is determined by social and business standards.

Socially and in business, A&E is facing a backlash from their decision. Just as freedom of speech did not protect Phil Robertson from the consequences of what he said, neither does A&E's freedoms protect them from the consequences of suspending Phil Robertson from the show. Because their are consequences and not just from those who agree with Mr. Robertson's views, but from other people who believe that peacefully stated views should not be suppressed, it is clear that A&E is open to social and business criticism from their decision. I disagree with Mr. Robertson's views, but I hesitate to give A&E my business if they are going to react this way against anyone who expresses a viewpoint contrary to the liberal agenda. Taking the actions the way that they have has opened A&E up to more of a role in Phil Robertson's interview than they ever should have had.

Would A&E disallow me because of my view that the United States Supreme Court erred in their ruling on California's Proposition 8? (Not to get off topic, but to explain: The Supreme Court should have considered whether the federal courts had standing to hear the case before they considered whether the people defending Proposition 8 had standing to defend the case; marriage is an issue that is solely a concern for the states [as the Supreme Court found in the Defense of Marriage Act case] and, as such, the Supreme Court should have thrown the Proposition 8 case out of the federal courts entirely. This would have left the California Supreme Court's ruling in force. Please respond to my Proposition 8 views on a different thread if you would like to.)

I still think that A&E had the right to suspend Phil, and in this political correct society it was the "right" thing to. I just think that they potentially made a bad business move as this could push Duck Dynasty to a new channel. This is the most popular cable show (or so I have read), so it would draw interest from many channels.

I think if Phil spoke his mind and is going to do that, but if he could go back would maybe say it slightly differently. If he were to have thrown out the bestiality thing I don't think this is a major story. If I were Phil I wouldn't address this issue again, I read some thought he needs to sit down with a LBGT interview or something like that, but I think that would hurt the shows brand more than help. Nothing good for Duck Dynasty comes from that interview, they already issued some statement about the subject and I think thats about all they need to do, they can just wait it out. The filming for the new season (Jan. 15th) has already finished so I'm pretty sure Phil will be in the new season, and by that time people will have forgotten about this (except for some of those activist groups).

On a side note, I had never heard of the group GLAAD before but man... that is one gay sounding name lol

And now the business side of this begins to unfold in a more substantial way.

yea i understand that, but do u think they would go to court long enuff over it.. plus if im not mistaken ICP (the music group) was fronted by disney at first and lets not forget all the former mickey mouse club members who are now a disgrace, and literal train wrecks

if you can be fired for anti-gay comments, then the gay weirdos are obviously in charge. why they going on about needing extra rights if they're in a position to fire people? they already have too many rights.

have i ever used this alias to spit out homophobic words about the gay peoples not being entitled to being able to adopt children because they didn't have enough heterosexuality to create them? no, probably not. i was probably thinking about how me and Brain were going to fail at taking over the world tonight

this article hits it pretty share on the head...

http://dailycaller.com/...nist/?onswipe_redirect=no


the miseducation of our society is at the root of it.

as mentioned above, the whole "if you dont agree with me, you are wrong" mentality is what these people live by. that is why civil discourse has left our country.

history tells us that very ugly days are ahead if this path continues.

oooh, My Penis has a first name, but it's very, very long.
if i was gay, I'd go on about it all day long.
but I'm not, so it's probably best to end this phallic song,
before some gay knotheads think that something is going on.

OMG, someone with sense and true belief in freedom of speech and religion has posted. The best part is she's on what the conservatives would call "The other side", but in my book, she's on "MY side".

Freedom of speech is MUCH more than something to have people freak out over and try to suppress, the suppression event itself is a totalitarian act.

She better watch out, she could wind up dead with those viewpoints. The liberals are not forgiving when you cross their drawn line.

"popular/media uproar over unpopular opinion" is not fascism. i just realized liberals arent' the only babies

liberals aren't babies who are crying over their missing bottle. they are full grown adults who are crying simply because they don't have a clue about reality.

here's an example of reality: if i want to increase the income of the poorest 0.01% of the planet's population by $1 a year, i need to send at least $700,000 to charity every year. match that.

what

liberals are full grown adults who lack the capability of understanding reality. they might understand it better if it bit them in the ass, but that's not the way reality works.

oh, and they can't steal enough money from the rich to improve the income of the poorest 0.01% of the planet's population by $1 per year.

wat

See, the gay guy got it!!!


<3

i stated that liberals don't have the capacity to steal enough money to support the advertisements that promote their whacked out agenda.

there are 7 billion people on the planet. if you want to help out the poorest 0.01% of the population by giving them $1 a year to help them out, you need to cough up $700,000 a year.

maybe i did the math wrong. maybe there are too many idiots who can ape using a mouse and keyboard.

Phil is Win. " Happy Happy Happy" and ole Si, Hey Jack!

bi girls are fine, all the rest are just fluffing fluffs, and lesbos... just had to say it

Bigots and racists circlejerking with other bigots and racists.

Hold onto your religious texts tightly, it's what you cherrypick to justify your hate.


Phil Robertson in 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHr8GR-e-4

Eat any seafood lately? Wearing mixed fabrics? hypocrites!
~~you're going to die~~

Looks like it'll take at least another generation for the dinosaurs to die off.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=racist

racism is a bit too new of a word to be related to millennia old religious texts. it's like it was practically invented yesterday.

Hypocrites?

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...877320476_618785464_n.jpg


I think that about says it...


This is not just about him saying what he said. This is part of a bigger agenda. You can deny it all day long but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.

The ironic thing is, now that he is unemployed, this may push him to finally run for Senate against a struggling pro-gay rights pro-expanded gun control Democrat Mary Landrieu. He would win convincingly and flip a seat to the Republicans that likely won't flip if a big name doesn't run against her.

This could be a MAJOR backfire. With A&E not only losing the revenue from Duck Dynasty, but potentially handing the Republicans a seat in the senate at the same time. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

LOL unemployed? You DO know they were wealthy before this stupid A&E fake reality show right?

btw the GQ interview with P.R. wasn't just about gays, he made some monumentally ignorant statements about blacks in the south during his youth too.

I never watched Duck Dynasty, and never will. Most likely due to the fact that I have an IQ in the triple digits.

http://youtu.be/KW343K1-upo
^NSFW^

yes, unemployed, meaning he has more time on his hands to do with life what he wants to.

What does an IQ have anything to do with watching the show? Isn't your entire beef with him about his intolerance and his degradation of others? Yet, here you are, being intolerant and degrading because somebody dares to disagree with your values. Additionally, you berate the entire fan base of a tv show based on your IQ and what you assume the IQ they lack, all the while admitting that you have never actually seen the show, you just don't like the character.

Good argument.

the hitch, i only plant one crop per parcel of land! :P

I think its all bs. These groups (blacks, gays etc) go up in arms because of a persons beliefs. So basically it tells us that they can't accept us but we have to accept them. GO fluff yourselves. All of them.

And Merry Christmas too. Oh right, I can't say that either cuz it offends those who don't celebrate or believe in it. Let's take Jesus out of the song, "Silent Night," oh wait, we are doing that too. Lets just hand the country over and lay in the fetal position while they take it.

It's scary how often social conservatives mention bestiality. This can't be a coincidence.

And thus the backlash from moderate elements, including gay libertarians. Phil Robertson's comments already speak for themselves and they aren't saying the kinds of things that will do his viewpoint any favors. You, on the other hand, seem quite intent on helping Mr. Robertson's view points by reacting like this. As bad as his comments were, your completely lack of civility in this matter is not endearing you to anyone or your viewpoint to anyone. He gave you the advantage and you choose to squander it on these over-the-top and completely unnecessary comments.

Good job.

Well said, mdevol.




We have been moving in this direction for a long, long time, brother. It is okay for some groups to say and do as they please, and to do so in front of a camera, radio, or other means to access an audience. However, it is not okay for others because it is considered as wrong, racist, immoral, Christian-based, etc, by the first groups. Over time, the second group has began to sensor or silence themselves, overly respect the first groups, to the point that they are now the minority in terms of voice. What was once the standard and foundation for which our country was founded, is quickly becoming the exception.


Unless A&E makes a change, I expect to see the family stick together and move to another network or not air at all. Phil does not care about the money...remember, he walked away from an NFL opportunity to duck hunt.

It is my understanding that only two episodes are left to air, so he would only be missed in those two programs.

On a comical side, Duck Dynasty is filmed in the Robertson's house, place of business, and own their property. So to say that he has been suspended is like saying, "We aren't coming to your house anymore."

As relaxed as he looks in his recliner, I bet doesn't give a rip if anyone comes to his house.

Si is my favorite. I hope I am as active as he is when I reach his age, Jack.

oh, but he is one of them dad gum educated folk. us redneks arr jist stupid imbread, bigit trashe... remember?

http://www.cnn.com/...ling/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

another state bites the dust

=)

You are a liar.

you do not have an I.Q. in the triple digits.

If you did you would realise the show is actually for smart foke (people like me who actually does have a high I.Q.) to laugh at the people at the show and say things like 'jesus these rednecks are funny, who in there right mind would do that'.

Sure its made for rednecks too, but they dont realise its made to poke fun at them, they enjoy the show for what it is. like the redneck with the chainsaw on a rope. Pure entertainment.

Why you come here and lie, liar. is it because you have a mangina? I bet you have a mangina.

This attitude will do nothing to help the cause.

The issue is not that they are granted the right to marry, but rather that the state determines who is or isnt allowed to marry at all.

Marraige equality will not be realized until both he state and the federal officials get out of the process entirely. Leave it up to the 2 people getting married and the person marrying them.

Where is the equality in 2 people getting tax breaks for being married while my choice to be single doesnt offer me the same benefits?

Do I personally agree with gay marraige? No. Am i going to tell people who they should or shouldnt love or be able to become a partner with? Hell no.

its all publicity on A&E's part. they knew damn well about the Robertson's beliefs and about Phil publicly bashing gays in the past. Actually bashing them, not the borderline bible quotes that this is all about.

i dont see this turning out well for A&E


P.S. The ignorance in this thread is amazing

I've never watched Duck Dynasty and never will. First, it combines two incredibly uninteresting words, duck and dynasty. I don't give a duck about the uninterrupted reign of a water foul. Second, long nasty beards are a traditional way to figure out who's homeless or a redneck. Now when I walk around I can't tell who's a trend-following hipster vs the other two groups.

This guy is a redneck, and they all have the same opinion, so it's not surprising at all to hear him chant the redneck anthem.

Lastly, doesn't A&E know the show's target demographic? Rednecks, wannabe rednecks, and hipsters. Only hipsters will question what the guy said, but it doesn't matter, they're just waiting to leech on to the next big thing, because D&D is becoming much too mainstream.

In summary, it doesn't matter one bit what this "rich" redneck thinks or says, it will not influence anyone who doesn't already think the same thing. This just shows me the show has peaked and they're trying to generate new interest.

Ahh come on Mak! That show is hilarious!! I am no redneck or hipster either. Phil Robertson didn't say those things to gather new interest either haha. Duck Dynasty is the funniest and cleanest show on cable (and probably tv in general).
Besides a lot of the outrage isn't because of what he said, it's more how A&E reacted. Family Guy and shows like that can be very derogatory to all races/genders/religions, and be praised as a great show, but one guy says something he believes which is never brought up on the show and he gets suspended. Its the double standard that is why so many people are pissed off.