People just their heads
Islamic Fundamentalists

a problem.
How to live your life
crazy, illiterate
believe in Jihad,
kill your people.
The answer problem
you "sheeple"
scared to talk
moron might!.
"Islamophobe, or a Racist",
buzzword
shut you up.

STILL American,
until some moron
take our weapons from us.

I propose that we just start blowing them to cum straight up.

Quit mincing around like fairies
Trust me, if
happened before.

I suck balls and some.

https://plus.google.com/...nZunger/posts/RN2yx54bxPa

1) I would stop supporting Saudi Arabia if the reality on the ground in the Middle East were a little different. Sadly, supporting one bad actor is a primary way of containing a worse actor in the Middle East right now. For the time being, I would pressure Saudi Arabia as much as possible to liberalize their country and would flat out demand that they shut down the religious schools that are creating jihadists.

Not sure how you can call Jordan an oppressive dictatorship. While the King of Jordan does hold significant power, they seem pretty far from a dictatorship in the class sense. The treatment in politics of women and Christians is an example of that should be held up for the rest of the Middle East. Frankly, they're one of the few Middle Eastern countries that deserves significant support.

In Egypt, we have a military that is friendly to the US/Israel. We have a military that seems intent on keeping Egypt headed in a path towards a Jordan-like future. We have also had an idiotic constitutional process which held elections for a government and then wrote the constitution. Really? Have we learned nothing from history? First comes writing the constitution. Second comes ratifying the constitution by super-majority. Then and only then do you elect the government to operate under the terms and restrictions of the country's constitution. The Military toppling Morsi was not the military toppling a properly elected leader; no the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution for the Muslim Brotherhood, not all Egyptians. Agree or disagree with the military's power in Egypt, the serve to balance the country. Right now the Egyptian government is fighting and facing opposition that would suppress other Egyptians most basic rights.

2) Israel has unilaterally pulled back from Palestinian areas numerous times. It has only bought them more death. The only time Israel has gotten the peace they asked for in exchange for the land they held was when they made peace with Egypt. If the world wants to solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, then the world needs to sit the Palestinians down and tell them how it has to be. Until the world is willing to see Palestinians equally the perpetrators of violence as the world is willing to see them as the victims of oppression, we are unlikely to get anywhere. When the rest of the world stops the violence towards Israel, then the US could find the political will to bring Israel along in the peace process. For now, however, Israel will continue to expand their settlements because they have never gained peace by stopping or reversing settlements. Bottom line, Israel has a right to exist in peace on much of the land they occupy. Modern Israel is not now, nor have they ever been a colonial power; what they have been is the victim of near continuous aggression from their neighbors.

3) I actually agree with this position, mostly. The Kurds deserve US support because they have by and large supported our interests for decades. Other organizations should be supported on a common interests basis. I don't think we should take sides in sectarian conflicts, but the US should recognize when one side or the other has taken sides against the US.

4) I suppose that Kuwait deserved to be invaded or that the Shiites/Kurds deserved to be gassed. You know what we actually should have done? We should have finished the job the first time; that's the lesson we can take from Iraq.

5) Let's not pretend that some of these dictators didn't create their own instability. Saddam Hussein was a destabilizing agent in the Middle East. The only good he did was keep Iran in check and by the time he was taken out, even that was on shaky ground. To be honest, I am not certain that Iraq can really exist as a country in the long-term. In hindsight, the US probably should have tried to use Iraq to solve Turkey's conflict with their Kurdish population (vis a vis a United Kingdom devolution style solution), induced Syria to friendlier relations, and enticed Iran to the negotiating table. In short, the US should have invaded Iraq with the intention breaking the country apart. We should have taken care of the peoples in Iraq instead of trying to preserve the nation.

I would not have supported the fall of Hosni Mubarak, but would have moved to ensure a far more orderly and proper constitutional process after he fell. In Libya, there was likely very little the US or anyone could have done through action or inaction to effect the long-term outcome of their Civil War. Dictatorships are, by their own nature, unstable governments.

All this being said, I'm not about to support removing the House of Saud from power in Saudi Arabia, even as I support pressuring them to modernize/liberalize.

The Middle East has plenty of problems that would exist with or without a US presence. While their are many situations, particularly when conflicts are staying contained to the areas involved that the US should mind our own business, there are also situations where innocent countries have been attacked or where the US has legitimate interests at play. Let's not pretend that all the bad (or even a majority of the bad) situations in the Middle East are caused by the US. The Middle East is a conflict rich part of the world all on its own.

that is fine that you lean towards flight, but dont use that as justification to say everyone does. im sure stories of people fighting back in this very attack will come to light.

how many guns i own or do not own has nothing to do with this. the fact that you bring that up shows how little faith you apparently have in the strength of your point so you deflect. well played.

the funny part is that you bring that up like it is an insult, but i guarantee that if this attack had happened where there are less gun restrictions, the attack would have gone down much differently. thanks for pointing that out for me. look up what happened last time explosive and AK-47 wielding dirka dirkas tried to attack texas.

1) I would stop supporting Saudi Arabia if the reality on the ground in the Middle East were a little different. Sadly, supporting one bad actor is a primary way of containing a worse actor in the Middle East right now. For the time being, I would pressure Saudi Arabia as much as possible to liberalize their country and would flat out demand that they shut down the religious schools that are creating jihadists.

Not sure how you can call Jordan an oppressive dictatorship. While the King of Jordan does hold significant power, they seem pretty far from a dictatorship in the class sense. The treatment in politics of women and Christians is an example of that should be held up for the rest of the Middle East. Frankly, they're one of the few Middle Eastern countries that deserves significant support.

In Egypt, we have a military that is friendly to the US/Israel. We have a military that seems intent on keeping Egypt headed in a path towards a Jordan-like future. We have also had an idiotic constitutional process which held elections for a government and then wrote the constitution. Really? Have we learned nothing from history? First comes writing the constitution. Second comes ratifying the constitution by super-majority. Then and only then do you elect the government to operate under the terms and restrictions of the country's constitution. The Military toppling Morsi was not the military toppling a properly elected leader; no the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution for the Muslim Brotherhood, not all Egyptians. Agree or disagree with the military's power in Egypt, the serve to balance the country. Right now the Egyptian government is fighting and facing opposition that would suppress other Egyptians most basic rights.

2) Israel has unilaterally pulled back from Palestinian areas numerous times. It has only bought them more death. The only time Israel has gotten the peace they asked for in exchange for the land they held was when they made peace with Egypt. If the world wants to solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, then the world needs to sit the Palestinians down and tell them how it has to be. Until the world is willing to see Palestinians equally the perpetrators of violence as the world is willing to see them as the victims of oppression, we are unlikely to get anywhere. When the rest of the world stops the violence towards Israel, then the US could find the political will to bring Israel along in the peace process. For now, however, Israel will continue to expand their settlements because they have never gained peace by stopping or reversing settlements. Bottom line, Israel has a right to exist in peace on much of the land they occupy. Modern Israel is not now, nor have they ever been a colonial power; what they have been is the victim of near continuous aggression from their neighbors.

3) I actually agree with this position, mostly. The Kurds deserve US support because they have by and large supported our interests for decades. Other organizations should be supported on a common interests basis. I don't think we should take sides in sectarian conflicts, but the US should recognize when one side or the other has taken sides against the US.

4) I suppose that Kuwait deserved to be invaded or that the Shiites/Kurds deserved to be gassed. You know what we actually should have done? We should have finished the job the first time; that's the lesson we can take from Iraq.

5) Let's not pretend that some of these dictators didn't create their own instability. Saddam Hussein was a destabilizing agent in the Middle East. The only good he did was keep Iran in check and by the time he was taken out, even that was on shaky ground. To be honest, I am not certain that Iraq can really exist as a country in the long-term. In hindsight, the US probably should have tried to use Iraq to solve Turkey's conflict with their Kurdish population (vis a vis a United Kingdom devolution style solution), induced Syria to friendlier relations, and enticed Iran to the negotiating table. In short, the US should have invaded Iraq with the intention breaking the country apart. We should have taken care of the peoples in Iraq instead of trying to preserve the nation.

I would not have supported the fall of Hosni Mubarak, but would have moved to ensure a far more orderly and proper constitutional process after he fell. In Libya, there was likely very little the US or anyone could have done through action or inaction to effect the long-term outcome of their Civil War. Dictatorships are, by their own nature, unstable governments.

All this being said, I'm not about to support removing the House of Saud from power in Saudi Arabia, even as I support pressuring them to modernize/liberalize.

The Middle East has plenty of problems that would exist with or without a US presence. While their are many situations, particularly when conflicts are staying contained to the areas involved that the US should mind our own business, there are also situations where innocent countries have been attacked or where the US has legitimate interests at play. Let's not pretend that all the bad (or even a majority of the bad) situations in the Middle East are caused by the US. The Middle East is a conflict rich part of the world all on its own.

The Middle East has plenty of problems that would exist with or without a US presence

the body armor incident you are talking about had only 2 fatalities. the bank robbers.

and in my example of the attack in texas, a patrol officer with his service pistol took down 2 AK-47 wielding dirkas that also had pipe bombs.

terrorists always target gun free zones, even in the US. re: schools and theaters. that is the problem with people that dont follow rules, it is hard to stop them.

Key word : patrol officer!!!

whitewashing complete disregard for human rights, just say it plain that you don't care.

Alin, anybody who thinks that the War in Iraq was about oil needs to ask themselves if the US actually gained any oil out of the war. Fact of the matter is that we did not. The idea is completely, totally, and utterly absurd. The facts are that you go to war with the information you have at the time and not the information you gain after it's all said and done.

Gaddafi's days were numbered when the Arab Spring began. His regime was going to fall with or without US/European intervention. I would not have intervened in Libya until we knew who we were actually supporting. Don't pretend that Gaddafi could have kept power if only the US had not attacked his air defenses.

People can have regard for human rights and also a grasp on the reality of the geo-political situation.

You complain that people don't consider all the facts and yet you willfully and totally ignore the facts about what Arab nations and peoples have done to Israel.


You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

Mm i am sure the circumstances were not:
"2 terrorists shooting at the patrol officer, he took them down with his gun"

Post the link here and i will make you a review in my free time, of what is diferent. I am sure you already know the entire situation is totally different but is in your blood to argue me.

Still key word: patrol officer

Just before the event was set to end at around 7:00 p.m. two men wearing body armor and equipped with three assault rifles, three handguns, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition drove up to a police car that was parked next to a barricade erected in front of the center. Seated inside the police car were a Garland traffic police officer and an unarmed Garland ISD security guard. The two gunmen got out of their vehicle and fired dozens of rounds at the police car, shooting the Garland ISD security guard. The men were then shot and wounded by the unidentified traffic police officer using his duty .45-caliber Glock pistol.

Alin, anybody who thinks that the War in Iraq was about oil needs to ask themselves if the US actually gained any oil out of the war. Fact of the matter is that we did not. The idea is completely, totally, and utterly absurd. The facts are that you go to war with the information you have at the time and not the information you gain after it's all said and done.

Gaddafi's days were numbered when the Arab Spring began. His regime was going to fall with or without US/European intervention. I would not have intervened in Libya until we knew who we were actually supporting. Don't pretend that Gaddafi could have kept power if only the US had not attacked his air defenses.

People can have regard for human rights and also a grasp on the reality of the geo-political situation.

You complain that people don't consider all the facts and yet you willfully and totally ignore the facts about what Arab nations and peoples have done to Israel.


You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

Every single muslim is a terrorist. People need to realize this. They need to be rounded up and locked away from the civilized world. If they want to blow eachother up, thats fine with me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...tis_Culwell_Center_attack

that is exactly what happened. 2 dirkas with body armor and AKs rolled up on an unarmed security guard and a patrol officer and started shooting, and the popo tapped them with his service weapon. the security guard was wounded.



stop being so desperate to be right. it makes you look silly. you said AKs are the best weapon ever and no pistol could combat them. i provided you 2 examples of where people fought back wit hands and pistols. get over yourself. you are apparently a coward or a pessimist or both. and that is okay. just dont put everyone else in your category. just because you would give up doesn't mean everyone else would.

in addition, since the vast majority of jihadist shoot like retards with their gun fluffed to the side and above their head screaming something about snackbars, it is probably rather easy to out shoot them. weather it be because of poor training, or they have become scared of their own weapons because the CIA had been salting the middle east's ammo supply with C4 rounds for a long time, i dont know. but they are generally extremely poorly trained and worse shots than storm troopers.

Lol. The west has to learn that yet.

I think people in our side are grouped in 3 big categories :

1.people that don`t care but only for their personal interest. Their life style is more important than everything yet they always starv to find justification and argue. We did it for the "human rights" and "wmds". What? Gtfo out of here - you did it for Oil.

Here i would place : mrford, Angel among others.
Sure there are a couple more that are still brainwashed and think Iraq is about WMDs, And Gaddafi is about human rights. They honestly believe that.

2. People that simply don`t know wtf is going on. The map for this people looks like this :

http://i.imgur.com/nk4zIBg.png

Scott is somewhere btw 1 and 2. Braden, Heston ... etc

3. People that realize and view the entire picture. Here i think we have:

Akula ( altought low activity on this forum ), Cerberus (a little radical) ... me, you and even Getafix. I think i and Getafix had discussion a couple of years ago about this.

These are just some few examples that crossed my mind in a couple of seconds... probably missed a lot on all 3 chapters.

Then stop following me around and mentoning me in threads I havnt even posted in dumbass.

You either arnt smart enough, or arnt good enough at english to have a complex debate, so stop trying.

Go fluff your goat and cry about how fluffty your life is.

Middle East is a Game of Thrones going on and on in the oil fields. You don t preciselly need to gain oil out of it. Your allies could gain something and you ll still be happy. The People Republic of ChIna ---- to whom each American citizen has to pay ~15k Usd ----could gain a thing or two. Since they don t have the military means, but Us have them.

And than, until the crisis and in the last 25 years, look at the fuel price. The cheapest fuel (of any type) was in Usa. Do you have any other explanation for that, while the average in Eu was 1.3 Euros/liter (~1.7 Usd), your fuel was somewhere in the 0.75-0.90 usd/liter? Can you logically explain that until the crisis? Now the prices are closer in range but still, there is a difference. Iraq was about oil and other things. Weapons industry... you must use them once in a while or the industry dies. Fire those expensive missile ... shoot those bullets, use those guns and tanks or there would be no need for more and more(from your taxes as a citizen). I can talk for a whole day about this reasons ... but i ll stop here.

I don t know what you want me to say about Israel. Israel is also an important player in that zone and in the world. They are historically in conflict with the arabs and it s not going to end soon. If smarter and more prepared people did not managed to solve this problem in hundreds of years i have no hope, some powerhouses, always looking to gain something, are going to change a fluff. I don t wanna go into Israel debate. If you criticize you are antisemit, if you sustain them in an action you are racist against muslims. The problem is to sensitive and will but hurt people in this comunity or any other comunity.

Gadafi overthrow is a joke. A bad one. Sure this dictators are bad ... some of them evil. Libya was doing well compared with the other muslim countries. Not to good after the crisis, but still above average. But if you overthrow them and send their people into the stone age expect the result to be "lots of suicide bombers". Mubarak, Gadaffi, Zine Ben Ali and Saleh ... Assad being the final target. But here is the point where Russia moved. They realized they are loosing their part of middle east and while sudentlly Assad's opositon was heavely armed, Rusia sustained Assad. Result = we got daily massacacres in Iran. This is the key point, that proofed that Arab Spring was more like a controlled summer. The fact tha Usa meet Russia in Iran, is the proof that all the arab spring was a plan, well executed. Against dictators that got out of controll. There was no spring(except a moderate one) in countries where puppets dictators remained loyal to pupeteers(be it west,east or any other types of puppeteers). But it striked only the dictators that got out of controll. Than the refugees wave and mrford preaching me about diversity - which makes me go nuts... because is real and it is here. Europe paying the bills ....

That s arab spring. A game of thrones in middle east ...

English motherfluffer.

Learn it or stop using it.

You don't see me on a Spanish board having debates, because I know I would sound as stupid as you do.

fluff you, you ignorant fluff.

this coming from one that claims to see whole picture, pfft. You cant possibly see whole picture when dont even know how they think or what they are wanting. Nor even care too. Yet you think you know what will solve it all lol.

Ignore things like fallout, risk of escalation, and exacerbated hatred from the survivors.

Sure. I don t want to know what they think because this is like trying to understad a person from a nuthouse. A person that goes with an Ak47 /bomb belt, reeady to kill anyone on site, is not my area of understanding. You are asking me to understand the way a brain damaged person thinks... and i am telling you to find the persons responsible for his brai wash.

You think osamma or any other modern terrorist would have went on his own on a suicide missions. Those leaders instigates and brainwash only... they use religion for it to. Thus i don t care how a suicide bobmber thinks. Just find the source and eliminate it(be ir in middle east or usa or eu). Or pakistan..

You kill the leader, and another will take his place.

You kill an idea, and the problem is solved.

You need to kill the idea, and in order to do that, you need to understand it.

I let you two brave fluffs identify and kill the ideea! I ain t going to try understand some other fluffs that kills in the name of a god(some greater power they don t even understand or know where it comes from).i've read lots of history of religions, what we have today is a split btw what we had thousands of years ago. + some religions have some fluffed ideeas in it.

Mrford stop talkimg to me!!!

Mrford stop talkimg to me!!!

Stop saying ignorant fluff then. Or stop reading my responces. Because I'm going to do what I want to do and you can go fluff yourself if you don't like it.

It was a non attacking responce to your post.

Grow up. You play the victim card way too much.