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posted by
Pang:
tl;dr:
SS is a flufftard. my contribution to laf should be obvious, even to the dumbed trolls. I reread this quick for obvious spelling/grammar stuff and it's boring. ss i going to go off again and then we'll do it all over again! fun times!
lol SS, that's such a jaded interpretation of so many things that you yourself should know better about. and you're moving into such baaaad territory for laf with that line of discussion.
i wasn't even fluffing there or active when you were don. call that freezing out if you want, but I played in NA, worked on Boxcar and only got active again during the tail end when the war vs evo was coming up. I remember it very clearly, you should be no stranger because you often up and left because you didn't agree with the political direction (not set by me, btw). When I was back, you also talked to me daily about random alliance-focused stuff and i knew all the underhanded stuff going on at that time, so I was sure frozen out there :p
I often up and left? when I retired as don (after the last set of e2025) I played a few sets in sof inactively to war, and when laf warred I tagged laf, I didnt netgain a single set outside of laf and I didnt miss a single laf war (except pdm since I knew there was no need for me to tag back for that).
You knew what was going on? its funny becuase there is a thread i made talking about what was going on specifically saying dont include you, and i know you wernt included because you went off about not being included to other leaders in laf, but your profound sense of importance within laf doesnt let you see that you were deliberately excluded.
Originally
posted by
Pang:
You also put far too much emphasis on spinning my half set as "ok, i'll be the don so the alliance doesn't fold". I NEVER had any interest in being Don, ever. seriously! :p once i started boxcar i was enjoying being the "don" of that instead and my quality of leadership definitely went down... but my quality of hosting site went up quite a bit, and laf were the primary beneficiary of that. or does that not count because I didn't keep it secret for LaF only and only gave LaF a slight advantage by letting them be beta testers for new functionality, often suggested by LaFers?
You did make boxcar, props to you for that.
Originally
posted by
Pang:
And did you not always get that I did things with a higher purpose -- especially during EE? I myself have said I do not like how I "lead" during EE because I was trying to make LaF too nice and open in our policies. So feel free to flame me there because I would flame my past self for thinking that if we tried to be nicer, other on the server would too. Of course when I left, LaF essentially became the SoL of the server but with a cheating scandal as well, implicating a few friends of mine, which was extra awesome. Good job "rebuilding" there, a shining example the server can be proud of! I seriously saw all the work hanlong put in because I had head access for a bunch of it until I ASKED to have it removed. My godfather access was stripped because I made a post criticizing laf's policies -- a right afforded typically to Godfathers, but SS and Hanlong were on the anti-pang train; hanlong for political purposes and SS because he's that kind of guy.
When i retired as don, laf was the undisputed #1 alliance on the server, as several AT threads indicate as well as a 20 odd member advantage over the next largest alliance (excluding na). There was no need for rebuilding i had done all hard work. The incompetence that occurred in the lead up and during those sol wars still amazes me.
As far as your access goes, it was pulled because your full of fluff. You accused laf of orchestrating sof killing pdm when i and other laffers had actively tried to get a peace between the two of you and you doing fr ruined it. My issue with you has always been your leadership was always self serving and not laf serving, and the results of your leadership illustrate that.
Originally
posted by
Pang:
thankyou for continuing to burn bridges, but I think it's you that is the cancer on LaF -- but the kind that continues to infect it. everything you try to spin negatively toward me could be set about yourself too, but the key difference is that unlike you, when the going gets tough for laf i was there. i didn't sit back and criticize people or act like my way is the ONLY way it can be done, and everything else must be wrong. it's not about laf, it's about your fluffing ego and it always has been. i lead for laf, through thick and thin. whenever they needed me, I was there. For the better part of a decade.
When the going gets tough i restored laf's membership twice, you were a major contributor (although i admit not the only contributor) to the halfing of laf's membership twice. When the going gets tough i ran all the wars that were got stuck in through your incompetence. When you were a leader how many wars did you run? how many war chats did you run? the answer to both of those questions is 0. So dont act like you were there when things were tough, you were no where to be seen when things were tough.
Originally
posted by
Pang:
if you sit there and flame me as if everything that's ever been wrong with laf is my fault and that my entire contribution is less than worthless, i think that reflects more poorly on you than me. my contribution to laf is fairly obvious. but if you had never played in laf, laf goes on and does it's own thing because you were a decent HOW, but certainly not a great don by any means, and easily replaceable if any of like 7 ppl were available. if i'd never played in laf, laf doesn't exist anymore for any number of reasons from no one to lead to no site to no game to quitting the game because you feel like there is no admin going to bat for you. that's frankly the bottom line and nothing you do can or will ever change that fact, bud. that being said, I have no desire to ever lead anywhere ever again because I've found better ways to spend my time, including developing stuff for EE, with the time I typically spent interacting with flufftards like yourself in an ingame context. so shut the fluff up because you're making a bad situation worse between me and laf.
roflmao
I made mistakes as don, but i warred more times as don than any other don (predominantly because i had to clean up the fluff you left) and during that time took laf from lower second tier to #1 alliance on the server and left with laf in an impeccable political position with a strong ally base. You did the exact opposite to me in every circumstance during your leadership, you lost members, you lost allies and you lost laf its top tier position. You say i was replaceable as how, and yet you begged me to run the wars that you started for no reason...
And as far as laf not existing if it were not for you, you need to get over yourself. You aided the game in building boxcar and ee, but laf would be around regardless of the game, you, or me. The reason laf has been strong ingame is in-spite of you not because of you, but as far as existence goes laf would be around regardless of any of us.
Originally
posted by
Pang:
finally, to others, I really don't want to toot my own horn, but frankly my contribution to LaF should be obvious and that's why I've been so pissed that many of the folks from LaF that I used to be close with have been going out of their way to create so much hostility in the fallout from the cheating scandal as if I enjoyed laf getting caught. it's like you expected me to go and clean it up for you. i don't think anyone in laf other than maybe marshall has ever grasped how fluffty that was for me considering my expectations of laf and the fallout that I was forced to deal with at a very busy time outside of the game.
I love how you keep acting as if you didnt do anything wrong here, a lot of people already know the truth, and the truth will come out one day ;)
In the mean time, why dont we talk about a different skeleton you have in your closet that you conveniently ignored after proclaiming it as an example of your strong leadership in laf, remind me how you combated guerilla suiciders in e2025? Or perhaps you'd like to tell us a story about what you and reignz did as leaders instead?
And incidently, i never had my access revoked from laf, you revoked my council access which was somewhat pointless and it was restored a few weeks later...
And i havnt been a leader in laf since the end of 09, i've helped laf leaders if they needed, i helped recruit back members since so many had left under your watch, and i've ran a few wars. But that is run of the mill stuff that helps an alliance be successful that you wouldnt know anything about.
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