You have an odd definition of many.

I'm not sure what 'defending my land' means, but if it means getting lots of military, then that will make it extremely difficult to gain land. If you knew anything about landgrabbing, you'd know that hitting someone well under half of your networth doesn't gain much land, especially when that person's tag has someone close to your networth that can hit you back for much more than you took.

So of the 1286 countries over 1 million networth, probably less than half of which are outside of war, and another few hundred of which are in IMP and TKO (neither of whom would be happy if I started LGing them), that will eliminate still more of them from being possible LG targets due to the fact that they have alliancemates much closer to my networth who can retal me.

Do Slagpit and I really need to continue listing all the reasons why landgrabbing has become not viable on this server due to the policies of warring tags that are clueless when it comes to netting?

It is really difficult to grab now due to war DNHs, agreed.

Saying landgrabbing is difficult and not viable however is stupid. I think I proved that wrong last set, having done 40 landgrabs before we went to war, and only didn't come ahead on 1 of them. About half my targets weren't self farmers, and my countries were the 16 fattest none self farmed countries in game.

People say it isn't doable, and it is hard, but it isn't. Like anything else, grabbing takes skill, and planning.

I didn't know that purchasing military strategy tech and hitting someone close to your own networth required skill and planning.

Not provoking a war through grabbing alliances repeatedly and always coming out ahead, that doesn't take skill and planning, that just takes being a warring alliance that is looking for a war.

fine then...go hug your trees and never hit anyone ever...this game will die faster than the flowers you got on valentines day.
can you imagine if everyone just stopped grabbing and hitting each other altogether and just raped their own countries for land? it would be THE most boring game ever. might as well get rid of the FA altogether while your at it.

ive had enough of this crap..you wanna make this game boring as bat fluff..then go for it. you'll be playing by yourself before too long.

Yeah, sure, it takes no skill, blah blah blah. There are people who can, and people who whine, all I see is whining and no trying.

As for anyone declaring a war over a few hits? Has not happened, you are just making crap up from 1a, and thinking it applies here. FFA generally doesnt farm other alliances with a couple exceptions.

The netters I respect most are the ones that try to not self farm, and not many of em even make that effort, even though it takes no skill apparently.

All-X players aren't killing the game just as self farmers aren't killing the game. If you like to grab, great, I don't remember ever saying that NBK should stop grabbing other tags? I don't understand your objection, are you saying that I'm boring myself without realizing it?

Is it fair? I dunno, RIU. It's certainly a valid question, but what's "fair" or "unfair" is pretty doggone subjective.

Is it "good for the game"? I think it's neither good nor bad for the game. I keep trying (and failing) to understand why you and others think it's so detrimental to the game. If there were 10x the countries available for grabbing spread out over dozens of tags (or untagged), I would say (as I did in the past) that self farming is pretty much like Lovin' from Mother Thumb And Her 4 Daughters.

Do you WANT to see clans like PANLV and FOCUS farm small tags? Is that the kind of "interaction" you think is GOOD for the game?
I have news, my friend. PANLV or TKO or FOCUS or IMP farming themselves is FAR better for the game from my perspective than them farming me. That's why 1a sucks so hard.

You know, I respect you and the fact that in your opinion that self farming is bad for the game. I also think you're wrong.






PANLV is gonna be PISSED at me for what I say next, but I need to do it because you are SO wrong it's not funny, RIU.

At the end of last reset, PANLV Leadership largely DEMANDED that every player build countries with "war startups". Do you know WHY they prdered that, RIU? Because they were so concerned that NBK would FS them that they felt they had no choice.

I objected to being forced to play a particular strat. I was unwilling to allow NBK to dictate to ME how to play this game. So, I did not comply with Leadership's demands.

How "good for the game" is it that a netgaining clan does startups that are prepped for war because they're fairly confident that they're going to be hit? I thought Jussto was paranoid. I thought wrong.

Let me ask you. When is the last time you saw MadMorticia post on these forums? And not coincidentally, she's not actively participating on PANLV's site either.

And why is that? Because you have sucked out her will to play the game. Yes, RIU. You. Meaning NBK. You bunch of badasses, you. How good for the game is that?

Yep, you are right, Pan did absolutely nothing wrong, or controversial, and definetly did not gangbang anyone in recent history. People in this game war at the drop of a hat, sticking your hand into every cookiejar is gonna get you in trouble.

Btw Pan still has their members that suicided NBK and BSS and Swords in your clan this set.

At least now they don't have to detag :P

Not sure what you mean but those arent in PANLV in this set... i can tell you where they play if you really want to know ;)

There are countries in your tag with identical names.

what kind of proof is that??? dont you think we know better who plays with us and who dont.


all nbk countries have same names so they must be multies!!! :P

We are multies, we only have 3 actual members in NBK.

Yeah, it sucks MadMorticia has stopped playing. I started this set in my own tag, mostly to test different strats and see how they play any different from when I use to play. MM recruited me into pan, which I thought sounded good, she said we were going to Net and I thought the tag protection would be easier for me to test my strats. (although seems like IMP might have killed me for 1:1, lol) Now I was just returning to the game so I didn't bother checking any history and I had no knowledge of the politics. I only joined cause of MM. Anyway, for reasons I'd rather not hash out again, I almost left. But then you guys FSed us, and I don't believe in leaving during a war, unless a real life issue comes up. And my countries weren't war ready at all, hence you killed 6 or so of mine in the first 1-2 hours.

wow, that could use a paragraph or two

C'mon man. You guys just look to be evil. Just admit that and embrace it. ;)
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Wrong! Way wrong.. :P

All these items discussed make up the dynamics of the game, in my opinion. That is, besides the self farming issue.
The old rule of protecting your countries, (thank the Lordy), still applies..

Dragon, if netters want to net, they should keep enough military to allow them to do so. As Rip it Up says.. currently, something like a thousand countries to get ops and grab some land.. Might even wanna write an LG note.. Used to be, some targets wouldn't bother attemping retals just due to googd game sportsmanship. There was a lot less bashing ingame, then, also..

I'm surprised at how many guys I've chatted with that simply expected NBK to "beatem up/farm" them for them grabbing us, before this last war. Worse, they weren't convinced after I told them we would not retaliate, other than 1:1 retals per legit LG..

Slagpit, you prolly don't wanna hit a clan at war, as it's a police state, who will enjoy making your heart stop..

Dragons point that war is likely to break out in this server is valid..

IT'S A WAR GAME, fellers!


Rock, till you drop..


*Looks at Twizzle's posts.. Shakes head, walks off*

Dragon...i also respect your POV. i do point you in the direction of TKO though, and thier ability to not get pulled into wars is because of the way they play, and the decisions they make. PAN could learn from them, and they might have a chance at a few netgaining sets. they have made some bad decisions. Joining a coalition just puts a target on your back, and they shoulda seen that coming...oh wait..they did, thats why they started up for war. perhaps they themselves even knew that it was a bad decision in the first place :-P

Self farming post....


TTT

Why don't you try playing untagged or in a one man tag? Sure some of these one man tags can kee up with retals, and some get killed for no apparent reason. Better yet, try playing untagged or in a one man tag in the alliance server, and try keep up with the all explorers in land, then come back here and try down talking slag again.

Thanks,
Defendor

Been there, done it all... and you know what, I may not be the best player in the game, but I have solid proof that --if left alone-- I could do quite well for myself. If so, just look at the screes for the second set in EE:FFA, my countries are the ones with the Underworld themed names.

Also... check out my profile if you think I'm bullfluffting you.

http://ffa.www.earthempires.com/serverprofile?id=1941

Well, did you self farm, Ryuko?


Here's something that Pang said, in the thread on the possible AI bots playing...

"hitting other players for land is a good thing for the server and game. we're not looking to remove that element at all :p"


He also said, "Other servers have very different requirements than this one! :p" Referring to the alliance server..

So, I'm wondering just what those 'requirements' are, for the best server, the FFA..? ;o)