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eManny Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 20:36:25

Ahh, with that kind of bonus it is worth it late in the set, true.

Blid: I think like that too actually, but only if it's a small loss.

Marshal Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 20:57:26

poor blid.

*can't resist laughing*
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

crest23 Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 21:21:50

What are the predictions for where Marshal will finish this set? How is it he posts more than anyone on this server's forum and from Xin's list, he finishes in the bottom half of the server consistently (especially for a Captain Obvious) or he doesn't even play the server?

Edit.

Never mind, I did some research on him, he doesn't play the server. Active non participant. Some one needs a job or something.

Edited By: crest23 on Aug 29th 2014, 21:29:53
The Nigerian Nightmare.

LATC Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 21:48:35

So who's been taking advantage of the extra 12hr/18hr bonuses? I just remembered that change last week when someone asked about it, I missed out on 6 weeks of extra turns rawr!
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

crest23 Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 22:06:07

What extra turns? Huh!
The Nigerian Nightmare.

blid

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Aug 29th 2014, 22:07:54

I'm not sure if there'd be any more turns than before. The number of hours between bonuses didn't change. All that changed is you can sit online all the time and still collect bonuses.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Kingme Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 22:19:02

Originally posted by blid:
I'm not sure if there'd be any more turns than before. The number of hours between bonuses didn't change. All that changed is you can sit online all the time and still collect bonuses.


So I got that going for me... which is nice.

LATC Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 22:21:42

It changed a little because before you could get 3 bonus turns at 12 hrs OR 6 turns at 18 hrs. Now the 12 hr bonus and 18 hr bonus are on separate clocks (and both worth 3 pts) so you can get 3 bonus turns at hr 12, 18, 24, and then 6 at 36, etc.

Before: 24 hrs * 60 days / 18 hrs * 6 bonus turns = 480 max bonus turns
Now: 24 * 60 / 12 * 3 + 24 * 60 /18 *3 = 600 max bonus turns

So if you were to login every 6 hours now you'd get 120 more bonus turns than logging in once every 18 hrs.

By the way thanks to Xin for explaining it more clearly in the announcement thread, no idea what QZ was saying.

Edited By: LATC on Aug 29th 2014, 22:31:40
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

Marshal Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 23:01:29

Originally posted by crest23:

Never mind, I did some research on him, he doesn't play the server. Active non participant. Some one needs a job or something.


not that its any of your business but i got job and i post to forums when its evening my time.
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

blid

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Aug 29th 2014, 23:01:32

Originally posted by LATC:
It changed a little because before you could get 3 bonus turns at 12 hrs OR 6 turns at 18 hrs. Now the 12 hr bonus and 18 hr bonus are on separate clocks (and both worth 3 pts) so you can get 3 bonus turns at hr 12, 18, 24, and then 6 at 36, etc.

Before: 24 hrs * 60 days / 18 hrs * 6 bonus turns = 480 max bonus turns
Now: 24 * 60 / 12 * 3 + 24 * 60 /18 *3 = 600 max bonus turns

So if you were to login every 6 hours now you'd get 120 more bonus turns than logging in once every 18 hrs.

By the way thanks to Xin for explaining it more clearly in the announcement thread, no idea what QZ was saying.
None of that makes any sense to me, like I have no idea what it means, but also you could obviously collect more bonuses than you're calculating in the "before" column.

I hate this change so much btw. totally unnecessary, I don't know why qzjul spent time on it, and then I dislike it on top of that.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Aug 29th 2014, 23:02:50

Like why the hell could you get a 12 hour bonus at hour 12, 18, and 24? The 18th hour is 6 hours from both other bonuses so why would you get a 12 hour bonus. Argh this bullfluff idiot system makes me so mad
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

eManny Game profile

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Aug 29th 2014, 23:50:43

I'm pretty sure LATC is wrong, it doesn't work that way.

You get as many bonuses as before, you just can't screw it up by loging at 17.9hrs and having to wait another 18hrs for the 6 turns.

SethMosrite Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 0:13:33

^ that was my understanding as well.

LATC Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 0:14:57

FROM QZ'S POST:
IF(country gains a turn)
{
bonus_to_give = 0
IF(logout_timer_12 WAS SET more than 12 hours ago)
{
bonus_to_give = bonus_to_give + 3
SET logout_timer_12
}
if(logout_timer_18 WAS SET more than 18 hours ago){
bonus_to_give = bonus_to_give + 3
SET logout_timer_12
SET logout_timer_18
}
}

Originally posted by qzjul:

Technically, if you play every 6 hours all set, you end up with an average of 8 turns per day, over a 72h cycle. However you'll have a smaller PM &etc; if there ends up being any sorts of abuse with this we can always tweak stuff, but I don't anticipate anything too extreme.


Let's try to explain this better.

- Its two completely separate timers now - 12h and 18h, let's call them timer A and timer B.
- Each timer rewards you with 3 bonus turns when they are reached.
- BUT you only get your bonus when you access your country.
- When you get your bonus, the timer resets FOR THAT COUNTER ONLY. So if you access your country at the 12th hr timer A resets to 0, but timer B keeps running since it has not been reached.
- So assuming you are always accessing your country from day 1, bonuses are given as follows:
> 12h Timer: hours 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, 72, etc
> 18h Timer: hours 18, 36, 54, 72, 90, 108, etc
- So you actually get rewarded now for being online essentially every 6 hrs vs before where you got rewarded for being offline for 18h at a time.

Think of it as two oven's baking pies. Oven A bakes a pie every 12h, oven B bakes a pie every 18h. You can thus get a pie from oven A every 12h and from oven B every 18h. But if you only collect pies from the ovens once a day (every 24 hours) you only have 2 pies a day. Whereas if you check on your ovens every 6h you can collect a pie at hour 12 from oven A and put in a new one to bake, collect a pie from oven B at hour 18 and put in a new one to bake, etc.
---------------------------------------------
Edit: Realized he resets the 12h timer at the 18h bonus. Forget everything I said =(

Edited By: LATC on Aug 30th 2014, 0:28:30
See Original Post
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

Kingme Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 0:18:06

Wow, the pie thing helps. (seriously)

LATC Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 0:22:15

Wait hold on, I just noticed he resets the 12h timer when you collect the 18h bonus.

Damn it you're right, by resetting both timers at 18h it is still only 480 max turns. WTF QZ why couldn't you just say that?! Or why couldn't he just simplify things and give 3 turns every 9 hours then? Like I said, I don't understand why he has to keep it as close to the old game as possible, why not just make things better by simplifying things like this so newbies aren't overwhelmed?

Edited By: LATC on Aug 30th 2014, 0:29:46
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

oldman Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 0:37:07

It works like the daily 24 hr and 22 hr bonus. If you don't collect it on time, it slips

LATC Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 1:02:31

I figured out what we REALLY hate about EQ's (compared to booms/busts) is the fact that it's not just a 1 turn effect, rather it affects multiple turns after that:

- If you batch spent your turns, an early EQ effs you in the butt for all those other turns
- If you rebuild, you lose out on turns/revenue from cashing/teching/etc plus the bldg. costs expenses
- If you don't rebuild them, your production is lower for EVERY turn until the reset ends.

Boobs/busts only affect revenue for 1 turn.
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

blid

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Aug 30th 2014, 1:11:04

boobs/busts... mmm haha
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 1:47:44

Most people will be getting on average about 1 extra turn per day due to the change. That's 60 more turns compared to previous sets.

Xinhuan Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 2:02:26

Originally posted by oldman:
It works like the daily 24 hr and 22 hr bonus. If you don't collect it on time, it slips


This. I posted it somewhere before. http://www.earthempires.com/forum/post/593995/perm

blid

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Aug 30th 2014, 2:06:08

Originally posted by oldman:
Most people will be getting on average about 1 extra turn per day due to the change. That's 60 more turns compared to previous sets.
Why should anyone get any more turns? It was easy to get more than 6 turns/day before.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 2:08:37

go look back at your old countries' status and see how many turns you took. Compare that to what you are going to be taking this set and let us know if it's more =P

eManny Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 2:34:43

Its slightly easier to not miss the 'every 18hour' point now than before, so most will get more turns but not by much.

blid

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Aug 30th 2014, 3:39:25

It's harder because you can see when your last log-in is, but not when your last bonus is, so if you log in between bonuses, no fluffing idea. Could accidentally pick up another 3 hour instead of a 6 hour.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 4:34:01

It doesn't matter. It's been 56 days of the reset, and I've gotten 54 extra turns in total compared to last reset. It's easy to keep your country open in a browser tab and F5 once in a while.

blid

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Aug 30th 2014, 4:49:42

It does matter. If you just refresh your browser a bunch, what? 3 turn, 3 turn, 3 turn, 3 turn. Etc. Maximum 6 turns per 24 hr? Not to mention slips? That's fewer turns than the maximum before.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 5:09:45

Isn't it easy to verify? 55.2 days have passed...how many turns do you have in total at this point?

Before the changes, most people get 6 bonus turns a day, giving 54 turns on average a day. So that means 2981 turns or so at this point of the set. If the sum of your total turns spent and turns on hand exceeds 2981, it just means you are getting more turns than before. Of course the 6 bonus turns a day before the changes is an assumption, you need to adjust that assumption to your own playing habits to get an accurate comparison.

LATC Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 13:40:19

Are turrets worth .6 or .7 NW? I know at one point there were both .6 but either the NW for each changed or upkeep changed.
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

Xinhuan Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 13:51:13

It's still 0.6. Has never changed. Upkeep changed some time ago.

LATC Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 13:52:48

Awesome, thanks! And while you're here, what's the floor for tech to be auto-bought by the game?
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

Xinhuan Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 13:53:10

Originally posted by blid:
It does matter. If you just refresh your browser a bunch, what? 3 turn, 3 turn, 3 turn, 3 turn. Etc. Maximum 6 turns per 24 hr? Not to mention slips? That's fewer turns than the maximum before.


You're forgetting something. Even though you could in THEORY get the same maximum number of turns in the old system as new system, in practice this is not true. Nobody logs in every 18 hours exactly, and the 20 hour PS timer enforces it.

You really only get 6 turns per 24 hours in the old system, no matter how you played, because of the 20 hour PS timer.

Xinhuan Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 13:53:27

Originally posted by LATC:
Awesome, thanks! And while you're here, what's the floor for tech to be auto-bought by the game?


500 on this server.

Serpentor Game profile

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Aug 30th 2014, 20:20:17

I just overflowed turns... Not sure how many I lost. :-/ several hours anyways.

I missed 4 days of grabbing and bonus' while away at a cabin with no cell service earlier in the set, so wasn't taking things too serious. But prices were good all round, and the new log in bonus was helpful. This could have been an epic set for an indy if planned properly.

The EEVIL Empire

oldman Game profile

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Aug 31st 2014, 2:00:15

I'm guessing the rubbish prices are affecting all your finishes. Doesn't seem like any indy is finishing above 120m.

h2orich Game profile

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Aug 31st 2014, 2:38:14

getting about 1 extra turn per day.

blid

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Aug 31st 2014, 3:33:28

Originally posted by oldman:
I'm guessing the rubbish prices are affecting all your finishes. Doesn't seem like any indy is finishing above 120m.
Wow, really? That sucks :(
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman Game profile

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Aug 31st 2014, 10:24:59

it's just based on rough calculation, but you can always prove me wrong =p

Serpentor Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 19:08:36

I'll try my best.
The EEVIL Empire

FUXX0R3D Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 19:24:38

Who is going to winz0r?

Serpentor Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 19:55:21

1-2-3...not it!
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Marshal Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 20:16:52

#37 has nice lead.
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

blid

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Sep 1st 2014, 21:56:40

The lead means nothing, because other people haven't really started jumping yet. The question is how much more can #37 grow, not how much of a lead does he have now.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

eManny Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 23:28:48

I see at least 8 people hitting 100M NW this set.

oldman Game profile

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Sep 1st 2014, 23:30:04

i changed the rule this set!
the one who holds the #1 spot for the longest is the winner!

Serpentor Game profile

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Sep 2nd 2014, 3:48:25

That's how I used to play 1A. I'd flagship the IX tag in 1st for as long as possible, then get obliterated first when war hit. It was my own personal win, as we'd war every set.
The EEVIL Empire

LATC Game profile

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Sep 2nd 2014, 13:38:43

Your workers labor through overtime to increase industrial production!
You Produced: 6 Turrets.

#winning!
Originally posted by Xinhuan:
Are you guys stupid or what?

Marshal Game profile

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Sep 2nd 2014, 15:20:51

latc will win due that. :P

if 37 was techer then not that bad set for techer, quite skinny compared to other countries in top 5. 37 looks to be still selling something.
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

blid

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Sep 2nd 2014, 15:25:45

techer who converted to military bases
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Kingme Game profile

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Sep 2nd 2014, 16:29:13

Originally posted by blid:
techer who converted to military bases


He's a quitter! Giving us real techers a bad name! :P