March/April 2013 Talk - Earth Empires Forum

Magellaan

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Mar 19th 2013, 18:26:20

Of the 500k acres commies have 60% is held by people not in top 20. Military prices are high but they are not that far out of the ordinary. Small countries could effect this as military prices are fairly inelastic. People need military to protect themselves and to grow, thus relatively small changes in production could have a relatively big effect on prices. It's just a thought and it may all be nonsense:P
And isn't the top 20 always dominated by commies at the beginning of a set? I'm not sure how that would be relevant either then.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Xinhuan

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Mar 19th 2013, 18:34:56

Except Magellaan, the Commie countries not in top 20 typically have no indy tech, are not even indies, or are only half built as many are batch exploring.

So although they hold 60% of the land, they might maybe account for 30% of the indy production only.

LATC

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Mar 20th 2013, 0:55:46

Originally posted by Magellaan:

affect*

Also, bonus.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

OneMansArmy

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Mar 22nd 2013, 2:17:17

Lots of big grabs going around, should be an interesting set!

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

AndrewMose

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Mar 22nd 2013, 2:32:36

can anyone think of a reason #143 would be a monarchy still?

OneMansArmy

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Mar 22nd 2013, 2:53:05

Originally posted by AndrewMose:

can anyone think of a reason #143 would be a monarchy still?

To avoid some penalty that the government they eventually plan to switch to has. And to avoid the penalty for switching governments more than once.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

Xinhuan

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Mar 22nd 2013, 4:53:08

Basically, switching to Democracy means that you spend one extra turn per attack. Seeing as #143 has only been attacking roughly 3 times a day, that is 3 extra turns that could be used for teching instead.

The probably logical conclusion is that 3 turns of teching (over say 30 turns of teching per day after deducting the turns used for building/spying/attacking) is a 10% increase of income, and is almost as good as the potential 12% gain you get by having 0 market commissions. It's not a full 12% gain because if you are a techer, you don't sell everything you tech - you keep a lot of tech for yourself too.

It would probably be better to stay Monarchy if he does 4 attacks a day, and fairly breakeven otherwise on 3 attacks.

Rob

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Mar 22nd 2013, 8:14:58

Thats not taking into account the higher max tech levels of the demo leading to higher income, better weapons tech and higher gains due to milstrat

Might as well play a demo from the start and get the same land in 3 grab (for similar jets) as a monarchy would in 4 grabs. Then you only lose 1 turn per day from grabs but gain in tech effectiveness and zero market commissions

And if you take spying into account - making one more attack would require at least one more spy op, maybe 2

In that case the demo actually comes out saving turns, no market commissions, higher income, higher effective military strength!

Edited By: Rob on Mar 22nd 2013, 8:19:06
See Original Post

Xinhuan

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Mar 22nd 2013, 10:07:11

Demos don't get the same amount of land in 3 grabs that a Monarchy can get in 4....

If you had 120% strategy tech, being Demo by raise that to 122%. So you get 2% more land. That's a whopping 20 extra acres if you grabbed 1000a in 3 grabs. You are over estimating the extra 10% tech effectiveness. It doesn't give you 10% more land or 10% more income, or 10% less upkeep. Far from that, it's more like 2%.

Likewise, your 120% weapons might become 122%, so you use 2% less jets and oil. If you have 1m jets now, that is about 20k jets, it's not that much.

Rob

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Mar 22nd 2013, 10:34:52

Hmm. You're right - i did overestimate it

BobbyATA

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Mar 22nd 2013, 13:06:51

2013-03-21 22:25:39 PS Lady Caith (#12) EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#17) 908A (1332A)

Lame

oldman

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Mar 22nd 2013, 13:19:06

#143 might be going for the monarchy records? Either that or he's a n00b.

crest23

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Mar 22nd 2013, 13:21:24

Yeah, you don't want to tango with that kind of n00b, that's for sure.

The Nigerian Nightmare.

Xinhuan

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Mar 22nd 2013, 18:09:59

Or maybe, he wants to go Theo later, but doesn't want the -35% max tech for now.

Chewi

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Mar 22nd 2013, 18:23:46

2013-03-22 16:51:43 PS EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#17) Lady Caith (#12) 274A (541A)
2013-03-21 22:25:39 PS Lady Caith (#12) EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#17) 908A (1332A)

That's lame. Farm #12! =P

blid

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Mar 22nd 2013, 19:07:23

She's probably all offense

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Serpentor

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Mar 22nd 2013, 19:10:19

At least it wasn't an April top feed. :-/

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Serpentor

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Mar 22nd 2013, 19:11:59

Yeah I figured I'd better fit the grab into my daily grabbing while its still low on D. It'll be a much bigger grab later and make me alter my grabbing pattern to hit it.

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crest23

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Mar 22nd 2013, 19:56:59

I doubt he'll be a "much bigger grab" anytime this set. He'll be farmed by everyone in the coming weeks.

The Nigerian Nightmare.

Serpentor

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Mar 22nd 2013, 20:01:23

If the top feeds keep up, probably.

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blid

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Mar 22nd 2013, 21:33:33

She top fed Andrew in Express too. Then he bounced the retal

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

AndrewMose

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Mar 23rd 2013, 1:09:36

Originally posted by blid:

She top fed Andrew in Express too. Then he bounced the retal

Im embarrassed about that and the other two DHs. This express round has not been my best performance

Magellaan

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Mar 23rd 2013, 3:37:22

2013-03-23 02:38:50 PS Lady Caith (#12) G (#171) 925A (1359A)

And another one lol.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Karim

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Mar 23rd 2013, 7:05:26

Well, running on low def and high attack is never a clever idea.

-[Panzer Division MD]-

BobbyATA

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Mar 23rd 2013, 12:25:38

neither is getting retald every day as a techer.

Serpentor

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Mar 23rd 2013, 15:57:27

Who will be next.... Muahaha

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Serpentor

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Mar 23rd 2013, 16:00:23

It is dropping in rank already. Maybe lesson will be learned already?

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Magellaan

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Mar 24th 2013, 1:45:00

2013-03-23 23:11:23 PS Lady Caith (#12) Planetary (#8) 1305A (1920A)

o.O

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

OneMansArmy

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Mar 25th 2013, 3:11:41

Does DR wear off when a country gains land from a grab?

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http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

Serpentor

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Mar 25th 2013, 4:16:17

Yeah, each hit you do reduces 1Dr. So if you get hit and hit back, you're back to 0Dr.

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h2orich

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Mar 25th 2013, 4:19:31

Yes, normal DR goes back to 0 like what Serp said, but ghost DR stays for 24 hours. So even if a country that is DR1 and grabs another country, he will be 0 DR but still with ghost DR 1.

Karim

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Mar 25th 2013, 10:24:30

This guy seems looking for troubles: how many like to be topfeeded?

-[Panzer Division MD]-

AndrewMose

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Mar 25th 2013, 18:36:17

It feels like there are more commies hanging around this late. Everyone is within 1 or 2 days of eacother on land. I dont think the server can support 20 big commies for another 15 days. Where are the cashers?

BobbyATA

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Mar 25th 2013, 20:03:52

well, military is falling now. Some commies will drop off.

War brewing between 11 and 111...

LATC

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Mar 25th 2013, 20:45:13

Binary war.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

AndrewMose

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Mar 26th 2013, 2:58:19

looks like Ducked Up was so frustrated with the DH retal that he ended his set. I have felt that way before so there is no judgment here. But we will all feel the impact in tech prices

Serpentor

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Mar 26th 2013, 3:41:05

Usually all those indies won't last. They start dropping off one by one and the rest feed on them as they drop.

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Serpentor

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Mar 26th 2013, 3:44:38

Only 2 non indies in the top 20! Lmao

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Magellaan

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Mar 26th 2013, 3:52:51

That's a shame, it was still a nice country.

I'm curious if Ill survive the low mil prices. Hope 140% indy tech on 20k acres is good enough for now.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Rob

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Mar 26th 2013, 3:53:18

It beggars belief that military prices are still above 120.
Still waiting for the much prophesied crash. I like when i can buy military at ~100 :)

Rob

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Mar 26th 2013, 7:11:12

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Well, I bounced another attack and my Attack Success Rate is now below Rob lol.

I totally forgot to look at the Ally costs. :P

You can have it back now, Xin.
I just bounced what supposed to be my biggest hit of the day :(

BobbyATA

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Mar 27th 2013, 0:20:43

not directly related to primary talk, but I was just deleted in tournament for "coordination". I really think that rule needs some tweaking...

oldman

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Mar 27th 2013, 0:34:43

lol then that should be posted in "tournament talk"

BobbyATA

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Mar 27th 2013, 0:51:24

not necessarily. The connection, at least in my mind, is that the same controversial rule is in place on the primary server. So I thought it relevant. R you playing this set oldman?