Lol. Elders will kill you both.

Momma LaF said dont talk to strangers, Maki.

Yeah. Kind of a weird thing. Lots of people were talking about this as it happened. We all saw that his restart page double loaded and there was two countries that looked the same at the same nw with the same name. Weezy played the restart he was given.

When he died this last time, he logged in to earth expecting to restart and the identical country would just stay there. However, the game did not send him to the restart page but rather the main menu of the 2nd country.

He was not only surprised about it, but he contacted more than just me when he spoke about it. He contacted Prime, qz and about a half dozen other mods to fix the glitch, as I'm sure they can attest.

That said, can't blame the guy for playing the country the game gave him in the mean time. Weezy may be a lot of things, but he's no cheater. He went a step further than maybe I would have by contacting the game mods about it.

Could still see it getting purpled tho. Its only fair. But a mod will have to do that...

I vote for buch leading OMA

Ironically, from a neutral perspective, I thought it was awful nice the way SoL chose not to hold too much of the mess-up by LB to LCN and say they were responsible. As selective as that may be, it's plainly out of mutual respect.

I also agree that, as with any situation, the player that got screwed a bit gets paid.

I donno. Its purely an outsiders perspective but I do feel like that situation on face value was handled proper by LB, SoL and if reps are indeed paid, by LCN and by the member who felt slighted in SoL.

Having a blanket policy does not account for intagibles such as hella respect for LB and wanting to some degree, to allow him to play the game as he chooses with respect to individual members who might feel otherwise.

I still don't understand why anyone would want anyone else to follow a blanket policy in this regard. It's better than killing a bunch of LCN netters, right?

Good job doing the right thing.

Dawwww.... Everyone kissed and made up.

It must have been that youve all humped sheeps with me once. Proud my humpage could bring us all together.

^you arent wrong.

Maybe he just meant he has proof that its weezy suiciding him?

I have proof my butthole smells like poop.

Proof of what? The he spy opped you? Or that he had help within our tag? (Just curious.)

But yeah. Elders doesnt condone blah blah blah. He did this on his own blah blah. Perhaps if blah blah, then blah blah. Hasnt been tagged since restarting blah blah. Hasnt been hitting for us in our blah blahs. Etc. Etc.

Just wanna know if he had halp. Lmk

Gains "Wish people were up to it would gladly ab fs you retards every set."

Dissi "/me waits for Laf leaders to tell Gains to stfu before netting becomes a thing of the permanent past."

Ivan "doesnt mean that its ok to threaten people that they will never net again blah blah blah"

So Ivan. Its ok to threaten us, and thats not bullying because why? Because they suck too bad to be taken seriously or what?

Haha. I agree with gerdler mostly! Its a christmas miracle!

One thing i will say, you could read the entire wiki and help files and still not have a clue what we are all doing here. 20 years ago i died like a fool many sets in a row until i answered a recruitment message and another human showed me wtf was going on. It isnt a type of game that you can feel out and do alright at lol.

The only way new players get into the game is by flopping down a massive sausage and trying really hard to make a fire to cook it. Thats how RED came about afterall. But not every newb is just gonna create a country and farm bots and net well lol. Its been on us and its always been on us, as players, to create a teaching environment for the new players that actually show up every set. Because they do...

Its just hard to find those teachers. We need a tutorial mode or something....

Even war tags have a hard time finding warleaders anymore. Used to be a coveted position Most of us old fluffs just wanna run our turns and call it a day.....

#MakeEarthGreatAgain

No.

He went a long time before he started failing ops but as the servers caught up in spal, his production could meet the demands.

At the time we originally found #310, his production was such that he needed to SELL around 1100 tech points per turn taken. This was over a week ago.

Estimations for him stealing an average of 4k points thru the beginning of the set implied anywhere from 600-1000 ops at a minimum to have the money and output that he did.

If it was 600 ops at a minimum a week ago, its probably well over a thousand now. I feel like personally hes done about 6 on me based purely on nw changes when ive had tech stolen.

If he's done that many ops, he's done them to all of us a good amount of times. He had 900 spal but with the recent fails hes having and the massive builds of the warclans reaching their peak, he's got to start to feel limited.

My guess is officially around 1300-1500 commit espionage ops this set.

This needs updating to include SOF

Interesting....

I blame Sigmund Freud for this vernacular discrepancy.

I will farm you so bad. Lol. So bad.

But yes. Laf is a fantastic place to learn when they arent in the position they are in now. Maybe even the best place to have active leaders teaching you the game and stuff. I wouldnt short sell that for a minute. But I just cant make that as a recommendation rn due to the war. Lol

Hahaha. Nothing against LaF in terms of their ability and even willingness to teach a new player. I just don't know if its currently the best place to end up, considering the tag is mostly killed and starting there RIGHT NOW THIS SET, you likely wouldn't learn a thing and be reduced to farmland. I could see it being a wise landing zone AFTER this set, but if you were looking to join today and play this set, I'd pick somewhere else to at least get a feel for the game without being targeted by 2 of the largest clans. Which is why, for someone joining today or even within the next month, I wouldn't do LaF. Not a stab on your ability to net or teach at all. There were dozens of sets in the last set several years that it was obviously the place to learn. This is not that set.

Being versatile is clearly the way to being good. Being a great war dog comes with having some solid netting skills. Right now, laf is not netting and they are not in a position to help someone make a stong build. You'd likely be teaching the oop missiler strat which hardly has any application now that restarts are much larger but is still ideal for a midset startup in a war. I truthfully just dont want to end up farming this dude out of the game. Haha

You did your due diligence listing the other clans tho.

Gerdler is right about a number of things.

First off, i think LCN could compete with Monsters in that sort of helpful active players that net way. LB is a beast. I just couldnt be sure of the other clans listed willingness to actively help a new player.

Rage is actually also a decent choice. They brought home a few oldies but goodies and still have an active role in the politics of the game, despite their recent tree-huggary. By no means is that a bad place to end up.

But just in terms of someone giving the game their first go, I'd avoid the clans that are currently at war on a part that is getting smashed.

Current war is Elders/Sol vs Laf/stones/oma/red/imagnum.

Realistically i'd wait until next set to join any of them. If you really wanted to kill, best choice for now to enter the fray immediately would be Elders and I say that only because they arent getting hit so you could try some stuff out without having to worry about being smashed. The other 6 clans are either half dead or all dead. Just bad timing imo. I wouldnt dare say elders has the best teachers lol.

So i guess i'd pick between MONSTERS, LCN or RAGE if I were trying to be unbiased and tell him the best place to start TODAY.

Trouble is when the new set starts, my recommendations would likely change entirely. Just politics and dynamics haha.

I named my team country Child Molesting Robot after you. Lol

You should stop molesting children, Ivan. For obvious reasons.

^he's not incorrect at all. Learning to net well will only further your ability to war. An unfortunate fact. Lol. But war clans can always help someone dive head first into the social atmosphere of the game. You just wont learn to play a great country as well. Lol

Eh, if you want it you can have it. Ill take the armpit instead

Depends on what you like to do with your gaming experience totally. Basically I think, as with any game, there are two types of players. People who play to make the best country so they can win first place, and people who kill trying to have fun at the expense of others. Personally I'm a thoroghbred killer and if you look at other posts here you'll see I troll a fair amount. In my opinion, warring and walling are the best parts of this game. Its very socially interactive wheras netting can take very little time each day depending on how committed to the 1st place finish you are.

A good war country will wake up in the middle of the night, maybe even stop tapping the old lady to wall on a moments notice and will also be available a lot to hit. Its very laborous at times but if you are active you can make a name for yourself instantly. Redneck of LaF was not particularly known to me until this set when he was super active and hard to kill. Now we all know his name.

If you are looking to war and meet a lot of people in this game, Elders is a no brainer choice. They (we) constantly stir the pot and are active enough to teach a basic war strat. Our strength is based on our ability to stonewall which is rivaled basically by no one. I could walk you thru a basic country and how to stay alive and you'd be on your feet in no time.

If you wanted to learn some more about basic strategies and try to get a stronger comprehension of the math of the game by netting for a few sets, I think MONSTERS is the obvious choice. Getafix is a very active, extremely talented netter who is more than willing to help you out. Commandos of MONSTERS is also very active and very helpful. Those dudes know their builds and market very well and could easily walk a new player into a top 50 finish. Perhaps top 20. As a bonus, they rarely stir the pot and defend themselves well, so you may be able to go whole resets without so much as a hit against you.

But, more or less, it comes down to how you want to spend your time in this game. Do you want to be a killer or a netter? Thats the main choice you have to make. Most people in this game have at least 10 years under their belt as it is an old game. So yeah, red pill or blue pill?

Gave birth to Ivan?

He totally shouldda just been a blowy.

You realize i lost to rd for like 3 years right? Statement couldnt be further from the truth

Oh so theres more hits coming? How many? Like 25? I figured you guys were oot already lol.

Lol @ the 17 hit FS. Nice.

Yeah. I really just wanted a hug, but no one will hug me.

I love that what red can do run me landfarm without the hitting me back. More like, talky on at a lot more than we build defense and hit back.

What is supposed to be "netting" if you only are lafdog millionaires?

https://youtu.be/G7RgN9ijwE4

SHAME

hahaha.

#TechPointsMatter

We are the angry little kids of the server.

Cept we really angry old tired men.

Oh yeah. Since the war started, ive been getting many failed ops on spy news from both laf and elders.

Shame guys. Shame. Lol

Haha. We killed sol 2 sets ago. We just happened to want to kill the same countries this set. Sometimes you have to share.

Zygo...real response for you

The only active clans i dont have a recent memory of killing are rage and lcn. Sol was an enemy up until recently i think. Defo the first time ive warred with sol as allies. But yeah, i think it had more to do with us wanting a piece of the same action and resolving to work together rather than step on each others toes. You know, after decades of this game we all know each other. There are members of laf who literally know my girlfriend's full name. It isnt hard to contact a former ICNer about wanting to kill the same target this set for us. The dynamic of the server was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. We didnt even have to ask who sol was targeting, we just asked when and where. The rest was too obvious.

If sol wanted to kill laf and red and oma, they could have easily by themselves. Theyre ballooned from mds absence. They didnt need us to kill but had stones in mind too so we just worked to add a couple other clans in and make numbers more even-ish. And while i understand adding small tags doesnt truly even it up, there wasnt any other big tags to add.

And elders would have happily killed laf solo. Its sort of ironic that someone would imply that sol told us to hit laf. I think everyone could at least agree that we probably dont need any convincing to hit them lol.

Maybe we are the assholes of the server, but we have killed over single hits before. Probably will again.

Gerdler died because he retalled a mistyped war hit from our side on another server.

And we do that, because its fun, and we enjoy it.

Yeah buch is right. You think too much.

Confirmed very little thought was put in.

But i did come here to see if anyone was gonna kill #310. Pretty funny hes still alive.

Hahaha. You know it.

Oh ivan. Everyone misses you a lot.

Signed, Derrick
Head of understanding sarcasm doesnt translate well in text and ensuring everyone doesnt get lost in the sarcasm of his statements by having cool sigs.

He'd be a lot better at it if he had no teeth.

We all call him the rake around here.

I had to give it up.

Pool nukem just sounds like a kid who poops where people swim.

Hmm? Did you just quote something zygo said as me? I donno man.

Unless the implication is that red are bullies lol

Signed, Derrick
Head of being quoted for something someone else said and in turn being called a bully for it.

La imaginary familia.

Thats depressing.

You right, you right.

When i grow up I wanna be just like you.

Yeah LB. Sorry. Next set work harder to get on people's fluff list hahaha.

Hahaha. Scode should stay dead too. Its better for everyone lol

Maybe so, but topfeeding a war clan is simply asking to die. No two ways about it. War clans always have and will continue to kill topfeeders from any unpacted clan. This isnt unusual nor should it have been not suspected. Perhaps if it were a newb, i would understand the surprise. But apparently it was the only non-newb in their tag and he should have expected a response. Especially from elders.

For the record, rage is just policing for the war. They are not involved. They'd probably police too for you if you wanted that. Just ask.

I actually called Sui out for stealing tech. He would admit it if it were him. Believe me, it wasn't. Dont forget. Time rounds UP in this game. And speculating it was us only further points out the bad blood between us caused by last set, because it was not. In specifically my case, I had about 3 failed spy ops from #102 seconds before 2 tech steals and then prompty a failed market spy and we have matching nw changes. It really doesnt get a whole lot more obvious. And nw changes seem to line up on damn near every tech steal this set to a couple laf members. Its isolated within your clan but it is happening.

As for the signature, I was hoping someone would catch the irony in what i was saying. Because I was a head of a small clan that wasnt that old, I did topfeed a much larger LaF, and prompty got ran off the server for it. Rather than farming the absolute fluff out of RED for sets to come and running them off the server, it seems fair to kill them once as a warning as to what happens when you topfeed a war clan. If they are indeed "learning the game," then call that a lesson learned. This is what happens when you decide to topfeed. And if you do it again, you will die again. History has proven that both sides of this war will beat a topfeeder down. Dont try to bs and say anything contrary. If he had topfed laf instead of elders, theres no way youd me standing up for him

Signed, Derrick
Head of making a sarcastic statement that completely flies over people's heads.

Also, to red.

Dont hit me. Kay? If you wanna be a baby clan and get started in this game, chances are, one of the largest war clan's land is off limits to you. Have some common sense. Especially a country with 3k acres and 2m nw on you. Thats just a topfeed. So you topfed a top clan and thought you'd live? Not to mention a warclan? Cmon dude. Try again next set.

Signed, Derrick
Fmr. Head of a 7 member clan that didnt topfeed a 30 member clan.

I wasnt gonna respond after posting but its bonus time.

First thing first. If i were the president of the largest clan on this server, i would keep icn in my handle. And i hope randy keeps MD in his. Thats called pride. I'm not shy about wearing the badge of a clan that fought the cheaters of this game for years. And i know everyone likes to say "everyone cheated back then," but you know what? I didnt. Link didnt. Dissi didnt. And i take some serious pride in that fact. I will hold down the fact that we fought rd over a year over that. Thats my badge. And if you dont know why i wear it, you're oblivious to what happened in this game.

Second thing is this. We did deserve to get hit last set. I think that was obvious. And i think even certain laf members ought to have realized that the way you went about doing it only served to further create tension rather than settling the dispute. You must realize that. People who love this game saw HOW what you did WORKED. But it didnt settle a thing. It just made the angry angrier. There was no conclusion until mid-server war and frankly the whole thing was a mess. Laf hated elders more and elders hated laf more. Thats all that was achieved. No respect either way. Thats a horrible decision for a netting clan to make against a war clan. There was already a fire, but last set only created an inferno. We all knew what was coming from md unless we werent paying attention. There was a serious chance for mutual respect. But the flames were cranked up instead.

But we could have let it go.

I just counted from the beginning of the set. There are 48 failed laf ops/tech steals against elders before the fs. Granted 8 were for a retal and ill even warrant excuses for dozens of the others. But doesnt that number seem high to you? Like maybe too much for a netting clan? Like....thats JUST FAILS. Laf spent (likely) HUNDREDS of turns on ops against us. I mean jeez. Quit asking for it if you want to act like you dont want it.

Signed, Derrick
Head of making this post and additionally the post that started this thread because we thought someone might actually want to hear the rationale of hitting instead of argueing like 40 year old suburban women about the pesiticide their man uses.

...that someone made a stupid decision to steal our tech. Yall couldnt just let it go, eh? Perhaps if you didn't steal our tech, you'd not have to deal with this. It happened too many times on too many days LaF. And it wasnt one of our fdps. That should be fairly obvious.

We thought long and hard about how to respond to this theivery, considering rumor had it that you would ab fs us again next set if we hit you. In our opinion, that means LaF will never net again and we will always have a target. Call that win/win for us. Since your hack allies were gonna come in anyway, we decided to include them.

Laf, RED, OMA.....

Time to die.

*awaits the trolls

Signed, Derrick
Head of making this particular war dec.