As a tiny 1 man tag one of the only ways I can get by is stealing tech from bots. However I just fat fingered and got one of your guys.

Hoping I can make this right with reps or the like.

Msgd weezy & makinso

I RP the MMOG, it’s true. Somebody gotta!

20 years it’s taken for somebody to finally figure out my whole RP aesthetic :)

(La Canto Nostra XXXIII back in the day, introduced to the game by A.Ruggieri...).

You win...





...a cookie!

Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate!

Vexilla regis prodeunt,
fulget crucis mysterium,
quo carne carnis conditor
suspensus est patibulo.

More like is it ok to punch a baby ;)

You know what’s funny. Choosing BR on a country with 0 troops. Such mighty warriors!

I applied to several. Nobody would let me play.

I tried to net peacefully solo tagged. I did not hide, now I am being killed. For. What.

You are the cancer killing the game.

I will restart, I will netgain. One day you’ll figure it out.

Is fixed thanks :D

my clan home page is https://en.wikipedia.org/...Ugolino_della_Gherardesca

its shown as this when I go to edit it, but when I click on the 'clan homepage' link it downcases to https://en.wikipedia.org/...ugolino_della_gherardesca and wiki doesn't like this

Alpha is more interesting :)

I think I see what you did wrong there. ;)

It's like people have forgotten that the retal(s) *will* come...

Getting grabbed by noobs whilst small is the ideal source of land once you have finished exploring :)

Gonna be an interesting round...

Oh it will (and is) :)

Just irritating having to buy the undercuts to keep the price steady!

This is coming from a (recently converted) casher too!

If you keep undercutting, then the price goes down.

Try selling at the market price.

Look at the volume.... It's not rocket science.

^^correct

The "don't RoR" concept just seems so difficult for PT to grasp. lol.

lolwut? you 2? who two? If you look hard enough, everyone's out to get you *rolls eyes*.

fluff players whining about collusion when they get theirs is about the wankest thing to read on forums. I will call that stuff out all day long.

What I proved is that the news shows you don't really understand actions and consequences. perhaps that guy being farmed has 1 missile and needs to choose from his many assailants which to punish. Personally I'd choose the biggest one. Even picking at random there is a 1 in N chance its you. No conspiracy theory needed.

(troops/2 + turrets + tanks*2) * 1.1 * w/tech * govt mod = jets for SS ?

never forget! the 1.1 is critical. Our lord mehul, he must have is pound of flesh :)

easiest thing to forget is readiness and/or govt modifier IME

Thanks for having my back ZPS. Good to know you put more stock into some fluffty rumour mongering from derrick than the 30+ resets I played in LCN back in the day and was clean as a whistle *rolls eyes*.

Clearly ya'll are beyond reason when it comes to nasty ol' ugo and his private profile! So I'm gonna lay this out once and for all, then I think its best I just walk away.

The "if you have nothing to hide" line is incredibly unsophisticated thinking. I'm surprised, as by now I'm thinking that most of you should all be well past high school levels of reasoning.

The people who most loudly clamour for open profiles, are likely to be the very people who will use that information in order to identify people cross server, cross reset. To hold grudges, and to basically become the greifers they so desperately claim to be against.

I am not down for that. I play every reset fresh. It's a new challenge each time. I don't carry grudges over from one reset to another, because it would be easy to just start afresh next reset and build suicide country to blindside the guy from last reset. Quite frankly... *yawn*... Seems like the most tedious waste of time. As a semi decent netter it takes literally zero skill to do that.

Now if I get messed with in any given reset, that is different and the person messing can expect a fight :)

Just to flesh this out with a real world example, I am allies with someone on primary this reset, that happens to be a prominent LaF player on alliance. Now thats not a huge thing in and of itself, but consider the implications in terms of me basically having to trust those guys won't just use that info to screw me over. Quid pro quo and all that. I'm prepared to take that chance though, because I think it's worth demonstrating behaviour that I beleive in.

Lets also talk about the "pick on Ebert" thing in express. I was never down for that. I may have inadvertently kicked it off because I double tapped him one reset - he had low defense, I though why should someone be able to get away with that on a solo server, I had no idea of history, reputation etc I was playing solo and within the mechanics of the game he was a good grab. He killed me I recall... fair enough, thats his play style. I didn't carry any grudge over. Others felt this was unreasonable policy and took it on themselves to take their own measures. That thing blew up. Ironically, I think it made express a more interesting place to play! Ironically his continued use of the same country name performed the same function as having an open profile. It allowed those that carry grudges from reset to reset to carry out their plans. Is any of this making sense to anyone yet? I'm sure I'll be able to hear some cogs turning as you are reading this :p

Further anecdotal evidence against being able to track players cross reset:

I don't have an open profile, but I do play a WWF character on express *every* reset, I'm trivially identifiable. Firstly this means you can go check my history on eestats, and see whether I am a griefer... or a netgainer. The worst I done is multi tap human players with crap defense, that I think I might get away with... ;)

Secondly, you can check how many times those WWF countries were topfed when they stood a chance of doing well. Usually when there were far better grabs to be had out there.... Perhaps thats just coincidence though eh :)

So ya'll do what you want with your profiles. I don't see any need to "prove" to any one of you anything. I just see a huge sense of entitlement, from a bunch of players hell bent on forcing everyone to play their way or the highway. Not able to see the long term consequences of that course of action.

So I will go ahead and play my country the same way I always do, which is netting. If ya'll want to hunt me out and screw up my reset for reasons best only know to you, then I obviously cannot stop you. I'll just point out that doing so makes you the very cancer that you so very loudly and obsequiously denounce.

(...and people wonder why I don't want an open profile! ;) )

Lol, I just had a look at the news, are you serious? You hit #33 twice, thus breaking GDI...

2018-09-17 23:42:15 PS Nora Lorraine (#51) Land of Intolerance (#33) DH
2018-09-29 11:52:56 SS Nora Lorraine (#51) Land of Intolerance (#33) 162A (345A)

Then you get missiles in return:

2018-10-04 12:46:58 CM Land of Intolerance (#33) Nora Lorraine (#51) 632B 16641 C
2018-10-04 12:46:57 CM Land of Intolerance (#33) Nora Lorraine (#51) 632B 16674 C

I'd say you got off lightly from a country called Land of Intolerance :)

Then you are trying make like #81 topfed poor innocent you out of the blue, when in fact you hit them and they retalled?

2018-09-30 16:06:27 PS Nora Lorraine (#51) consectetur adipiscing elit (#81) DH
2018-10-02 04:59:52 PS consectetur adipiscing elit (#81) Nora Lorraine (#51) 1673A (2377A)

So obviously because you bungled your original grab attempt, that makes it fine to retal a retal.... twice!?

2018-10-03 11:33:44 PS Nora Lorraine (#51) consectetur adipiscing elit (#81) 575A (976A)
2018-10-02 10:09:00 PS Nora Lorraine (#51) consectetur adipiscing elit (#81) 708A (1118A)

Hardly surprising they came at you again:

2018-10-04 12:20:19 PS consectetur adipiscing elit (#81) Nora Lorraine (#51) DH

To which obvs the appropriate response is massive AB's and I feel you on that and applaud your perseverance! but dude lets not pretend it wasn't entirely down to your original bungling of grabs and inability to suck up a retal when you mess up. ;)

There is some misconception here, and I'm sorry if I've added to that.

I'm saying that because I am ex-LCN and because other ex-LCN were implicated in the the whole spooge thing last reset, that some might jump to conclusions. Certainly did not mean this to be "About LCN". I love playing their over years, and as I understood it our re-union set was the end. I don't think last set had anything to do with the LCN that I played for over the years. They were one of the cleanest, and most upstanding and honourable clans out there. Possibly the only ones that were corrupted by RD and their ilk.

Anyway, I certainly never expected to play again after the reunion, but you know express got me excited about the game, and now here I am back on alliance with a shiny new *Non LCN* country ;) about to step out into the big wide world all over again.

Certainly didn't think that would be happening 4 months ago.

You are right there is a very specific reason. Its staring you in the face, yet you continue to believe it something else. Is this not AT? Have things changed that much that trolls no longer troll trolls here?

Of course I'm pals with them, hadn't spoken to any of them in around 20 years, we hooked back up in FB chat, and it was an absolute blast! Got to know them way better than back in the day, we had fun. As you know though the FB chat is long dead, so you possibly know more about what went on than I do & you could very well be right. Or you could just be doing that whole thing where if you keep shooting eventually people will start to think you are true. You've already done a great number on my handle!

You know what, it's just a game, some smart people around that are much more capable of reading between the lines of AT posts. Of understanding game meta dynamics. (Those wars you keep arranging... I don't like war at best of times, but man they look dull and pointless). I remember when clans were mortal enemies, when there were good guys and bad guys. When people got so enraged that war was a glorious pursuit. In that regard it appears y’all have fluffed alliance server right up. Everyone pacts everyone, nobody ever hurts anyone. When people say the game is dead.... guess what Sherlock, this is what they are talking about. Stagnant. Malaise. Netters net peacefully, with zero def. War clans play fake wrestling, wearing padding and gloves over in the corner. Utopia/Dystopia much?

So yeah I have verbally supported what those guys did, because look at the place now! People are fluffign crusading again! This is the game I remember ... one with real threat & danger, and mystery and subterfuge and all the other meta elements that aren't in the codebase. They are in the hearts and minds of people playing the game. I mean you kinda half do that stuff, but its all so played out. Deny all you like what happened last reset was a tidal shift.

So no I won't be "warring" until I have good reason. I'll be netting. I'll be netting with all the chaos around me, me with the danger and ever present threat of being outed, and attacked and killed by those that have judge, juried and now want to execute me. A bit of adrenaline and excitement. Without that, then the most interesting part of the game would be just scripting up a netgaining strat and running it on the AI server. An interesting optimisation puzzle sure, but not really a game, like this one is (or should be imho).

So, thats how I see it. Your game just got better because of these 'greifers'. They just create the enemy of the server that you all do not want but so desperately need. And I quote:

Haha - the "open profile" card. Derrick would like that wouldn't he ;)

Given he is already frothing at the mouth about the prospect of killing me, and any clan I touch. I'll pass.

I do appreciate your desire to be cautious. I hope you can equally appreciate my need for caution given the number of griefers around :)

Let's reconvene at end of set, and you can decide then whether or not I was kidding about netgaining!

I'd like to think so, but there's an awful lot of talk ;)

I PM gerdler earlier today as we have been chatting in express/primary last few weeks.

I said I would understand if the ex-LCN connection was too hot to handle. I'm not entirely stupid in that regard. Honestly no hard feelings and best of luck to you guys coming set. If I do get to net I want decent competition ;)

Wow back for <12 hrs and already I find out how much of a joke this server is.

"wah wah, toxic environment" the server collectively wails... give me a break.

You are threatening to kill me and and/or any tag I am in because you think I had something to do with what went off this reset? Thats utter crap.

I have always been a netter. I don't care for wars or suicide or whatever you want to call it... why you think I sat last set out...!? You aren't the only one that hears rumours!

Ask yourself this very simple question... why would I waste time building up some great country to then go trash it...? I've never got a t10 finish if im going to spend time on this server its cos I think I might get one. I've come back to the game and realise I might now be capable. Are you gonna actively try and screw that up... are you going to "greif" me because I use to be in LCN!?

sounds like some *prime* hypocrisy right there...

This stuff is really getting fluffy.

So apparently a couple guys from LCN do some suiciding and now suddenly everyone who ever played under LCN is now automatically bad guys and should be permabanned? Why the huge knee jerk reaction. Its entirely disproportionate given the claims of them having done so little.

LCN always had its bad apples - in the reunion set I recall at least one tag jumper. Always been the same in any clan as I recall. I also remember we had to deal with a couple suiciders of our own. I think the reset was a huge success, and amazed out the results because the whole thing was basically a leaderless bunch of guys that hadn't played in years.

Maybe chin-up and crack on...? if you let these guys get to you then they have already "won"...

LaF won't let me play with them... their loss ;p

So in the LCN reunion set I only managed 50k/$150m - had no idea how much the game had changed and thought 50k acres was loads! How wrong I was.

Anyway having gotten acclimatised to bots in express, I'm pretty sure I can pull at least $500m now on alliance (provided that spooge tag doesn't screw me up!)

For those that do not know, I am UgolinoII - long time LCNer (sorry if thats a dirty word now lol) from back in 2025 days. Good to be back!

maghotpu' Sov bang
bISov chutmey, 'ej jISov
boq'a' tIq nuq jIQublI'
DaSuqlaHbe' vay' loDvo'
jIneHneH jatlh SoH chay' jIHotyablI'
qaraDrup yaj
not qajeghqang
not qalujqang
not jIqetqang je choS SoH
not qaraDqang SaQ
not jIjatlhqang Qapla'
not jIjatlh nep joq 'oy' SoH
maSov'egh poHvaD tIq
tIqlIj 'oy'lI' 'ach bIparHa'Qo' QumlI' toH bIjatlhlaHbe'
jIloy maSov nuq qaSlI'
maSov Quj 'ej wIreHrup
'ej chotlhobchugh chay' jIHotyablI'
chojatlhQo' bIleghlaHbe' toH bIleghlaHbe'
not qajeghqang
not qalujqang
not jIqetqang je choS SoH
not qaraDqang SaQ
not jIjatlhqang Qapla'
not jIjatlh nep joq 'oy' SoH
qajegh
qajegh
not jeghqang, not jeghqang
qajegh
not jeghqang, not jeghqang
maSov'egh poHvaD tIq
tIqlIj 'oy'lI' 'ach bIparHa'Qo' QumlI' toH bIjatlhlaHbe'
jIloy maSov nuq qaSlI'
maSov Quj 'ej wIreHrup
jIneHneH jatlh SoH chay' jIHotyablI'
qaraDrup yaj
not qajeghqang
not qalujqang
not jIqetqang je choS SoH
not qaraDqang SaQ
not jIjatlhqang Qapla'
not jIjatlh nep joq 'oy' SoH
not qajeghqang
not qalujqang
not jIqetqang je choS SoH
not qaraDqang SaQ
not jIjatlhqang Qapla'
not jIjatlh nep joq 'oy' SoH

Whaaaat? Derrick got something wrong!? It can’t be... ;)

... also, not eve sure I'd be safe there given recent events ;)

Dude, I would gladly join. As an ex LCN associate, I hardly think I'll be welcomed with open arms given the whole server is convinced that LCN is/was responsible for the recent suiciders.

Instead of replying to the substance of what I am saying, you keep posting some non-sequitur of a response, that generally follow set structure of "look how good I am, you didn't do anything good because I desperately need to preserve the fiction in which I am good and important". This then typically tails off to some petty insult or other.

It's giving me the impression that you are confused by the things being discussed. I am sorry, I assumed too much of you.

Theres a lot of truth in that but the devil is in the details.

A good netter can build a country that is good for war. A bad netter will always have a worse off country in that respect.

However that same country might perform differently in the hands of someone good at warring. Vice-versa someone who is good at warring might be able to make up for some of the shortfalls of not having netted as well prior to the FS/CS.

My point was that, at a high level. The mechanics are second nature, and it is the meta that is important. In warring / netting that meta is different. The greatest players may understand both. That's not the majority though & I certainly don't include myself. I just recognoise that this phenomena exists... after all thats the first step to improvement :)

Anyway, my message is not aimed at people like you, I don't think you need my mansplaining things ;p

Are you netting? I need to find somewhere I can have a crack at getting a decent finish on alliance... (not kidding btw)

Said everyone who couldn't net ever ;)

Thats the thing isn't it though: You like war, you consider success/greatness according to your own preferred set of metrics.

Netgainers, they use a another set of metrics. Whilst Bothe groups might respect each other's metrics rarely do members of one group really shares the same aspirations of the other. Rarely does a netgainer understand the nuance of the war-game meta, and vice versa.

Winning in this game is arbitrary. It's like life. You measure your achievements by your own yardstick.

Just because you like to play certain way, to achieve certain things, it doesn't make it any more right, moral, ethical, better, worse, evil, or terrible than any other way of playing. Those that seek to impose their way of life (way to to play the game) upon you, seek to take away your freedom to enforce up on you their conditions.

The "rules" are the only constraints of the game, people are free to play how they like within those constraints. Caterwauling when people choose to play their own style shows a remarkable lack of sophistication of thought. A disturbing lack of understanding of how the world around you works, how people work, of what is possible. Open your mind derrick. There is a bigger picture!

11/10 well said.

So what I'm hearing you say is "you must play how I say you should". Roger that.

You are doing a terrible job of making the game "less toxic". Stand up work there.

I have *always* preferred netting since I started this game. It is a fact that every time I had to fight a war in LCN... and that was a lot... my heart sank, but always I did my best.

So now I return to the game after all these years, and got a taste for netting in the reunion set, been playing on express to get a feel for things - for better or worse!

I am thinking about giving alliance another go, but It seems your particular take is to just call people trash?

Given my choices appear to be:

Net peacefully in the "imperial empire"... or join the "rebel alliance".

I'm starting to think conventional netting is not all its cracked up to be. I farm bots all day long in express, would have no problem doing so in alliance, but what I am seeing is that some bad apples are hitting untagged (mistake or on purpose) human players, or smaller alliances, and then not accepting retals.

Seems to me whole concept of “retals”, was to legitimise the act of returning fire in the concept of the game. What I don't get is how you people don't understand that basic game theory/psychology means that the inevitable outcome of this, is to paraphrase "some animals are more equal than others"

You don't seem to understand what that means wrt he endgame.

The logical conclusion if you follow game theory, with a cohort of people committed solely to measuring success by "Networth at end of reset" is 1 giant superclan, that only farms the rest of the server (bots).

That is the PvE scenario kelts talked about in another thread.

You're all busy "saving earth from the suiciders"

These guys are busy "saving earth from you guys"

The human element is what makes the game. The chaotic element that creates interest. Otherwise you end up in PvE death.

But what would I know, I’m just “trash”.

.... but is it in the rules?

"You must tag"

Or is that just a game mechanic, you can choose to use.

We are at a red pill / blue pill moment here. Choose wisely. http://i.imgur.com/c6tMzZH.png

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zomg, lol, I have just noticed this. What is this... pin the tail on the LCNer!? I play express buddy.

I follow these boards for the lulz ;)

I'm saying its the "most amount of land grabbed by a country in a reset" since eestats records began. You can check this quite easily. Look at prior t10s for "land grabbed". Nowhere have I ever said its about land at end of reset.

How underwhelmed, or unimpressed you might personally feel about that doesn't really have any bearing on the facts. Your intense desire to convince everyone else there is nothing to see here seems more suspicious to me as an impartial observer....

(ok semi-impartial since I did happen to know some of the guys that did it)

Whole post was about land grabbed, not land at end of set. I wanted to see where anyone else had put up similar numbers. Perhaps my post wasn't clear.

However, you then went on to say...



UgolinoII thought grabbing 320k was impressive, because nobody else has *grabbed* that. Easy enough to verify this. It took me 5-10 mins.

I am not the bad guy here. I just saw people saying this was nothing new, and was interested in looking back on other events of similar scale for entertainment/research purposes.

I might not be the best netter in the world, but suggesting I don't know about oil destock just demonstrates more of the "smarter than you" attitude that these suiciders are accusing you of. Starting to see their point TBH. Though, shout out to enshula for bothering to give a sensible answer to my question. Cheers man, makes a lot of sense.

I'm genuinely interested in having a crack at netgaining. I'm a bit disappointed that as ex-LCN I probably can't get in LaF to do that because everyone will think i'm some suicider or some fluff. However I can still respect that a bunch of guys (be they LCN or otherwise) decided to go out and do their own thing instead of just toeing the line.

So continue to deride me or w/e, whilst claiming that its everyone else that is toxic for just playing the game.

At least I can enjoy some humour in that particular irony.

Dude, I played the LCN reunion set, you're 2 months late!!!

*Citation needed! ;)

No seriously I'm genuinely interested in what earth history I may have missed, because now I've had a chance to look through eestats and get a better picture. These guys seemed to put on quite a show. Perhaps I'm just naive though.

I just had a quick flick through previous resets. I see two paradigm countries land trading to 100k back in 2011 - https://www.eestats.com/...ce/oldtoptencountries/223

They Both grabbed around 260k. Pretty cool. Similar in numbers, but not really "seen this before" material.

I see Ebert getting 216k back in June '16 - https://www.eestats.com/...e/oldtoptencountries/1074

Very nice grabbing, but again not "seen this before" material.

The 100m NW sol guy must have had a ton of stock. He stopped grabbing over 2 weeks ago, cashing on 120k acres that alone gives him around 100bn. The big LaF guy was in a similar spot, grabbed a bit longer but must have had huge stock. "Suicider" seems a bit crass!

Then the tiny demo, how the hell does a country like that grab so much in such a short space of time. Dude must have been owning the market.

Again, I'm a bit of a n00b as I only played back in the day when things were very different, so these numbers all look crazy ridiculous to me. Hell I barely broke 200m in the LCN reunion set having stopped grabbing at 50k because I thought that was huge. Lol.

And then all of the other supporting countries, that had no right grabbing the acreage they did. Does nobody run defence any more? Being an ex-LCN guy, It was pretty much obligatory back in the day. Has the game changed that much?

But yeah if there is something in earth history comparable to what happened here, I'd love to go back and study the news. I am a stats nerd like that :)

So, respectfully, where/when was something akin to this seen before?

I’ll second that I’m still not really sure what has gone down here, just catching up on the fluffposting. Damn this looks to be. A train wreck though.

Not ideal. I’d wanted to try my hand netting again next set after the LCN reunion and laf seemed the obvious choice. Now I’m thinking maybe not, lol.

O_o for reals? its hosted *at home* !?