<--- Im not over 30 :(

Ponderer,

As you know I was never a fan of RD, and didn't care of them at all.

And yes, I agree with you, a strong argument can be made that RD is a name that needs to be permantently retired. Its a symbol of what was wrong with the old game, at the player level.

but there is one thing that's stronger than removing a symbol. Changing it. Changing the symbol is a STRONGER indication of where the game is going.

SO far, RD is clean in EE. That's a major change. And a MORE powerful statement, than a group that ceased to exist.

This way Silver can keep it lcean moving forward.

Take them away, and who knows, some old colors may come back and return the name and take it to its old way.

There are good people like Ruth, in the new RD from a merger. I'd trust her. She wouldn't be there if this was the old RD.

So, I suggest, having RD around and changed, is the BEST thing that could have happened.

I'm not saying ally with them, or even like them.
Just saying, quit punishing them.

Noto brings up a valid point. Playing EE should be sufficient proof of age to purchase alcohol and go to bars.

Point of clarification about LCN-SOL war last reset: There were a couple of landgrabs exchanged, but as I remember they weren't heavily weighted one way or the other, and I believe neither alliance was particularly shafted with returns. I can't speak for ICN's contact with SOL that set, but LCN had exactly zero FA contacts with SOL regarding landgrabs all of that set and the set previous (hell, Maki was even idling in our IRC channel that entire set, not saying a word).

When LCN warred imag over landgrabbing, it was a cumulative result of weeks of FA discussion and disagreement over policy, resulting in escalating grabbing, and eventually war.

With SOL, after approximately 10 exchanges over four weeks, LCN was FS'd with zero indication that SOL was even so much as dissatisfied with the result of the grabs.

quoted for truthiness

Nuke: Maybe we've also forgotten what happened after SLIT broke up (for the second time, IIRC). SOL turned against its long-time ally IX and FSed IX in almost every subsequent reset until IX disbanded (IIRC, NA FSed SOL one set or something).

SoL turned against ix because ix CF'd and left them hung out to dry against the combined forces of Tie, PDM and WoG when ix saw they were getting smacked down hard for the second set in a row. ix CF'd on the quiet without telling sol they were planning on it, leaving sol to get destroyed until they could arrange their own cf. Can you ereally blame sol for targeting ix after that? I know I can't. Doesn't make sol all good and noble, just putting things into perspective.

i understand RD has probably done some fluffty stuff in the past. but youre naive if you dont think there are other alliances that have done stuff equally as bad at some point. it was just that RD wasnt concerned with hiding what they did. im sure there are players that would say SoF ran them from the game. is it only bad if you ran off more people then the other guy?

I play to have fun in a game. Its that simple.

Most of the ones tagged RD have never really been RD much less multi.

STFU SOL, netters never forget. You'll pay for your past sins just like the rest of us =P

Wow. What alliance does this Pain guy play in? He doesn't even understand the difference between right and wrong.

lol its funny how 90% of the people in this thread have no idea what is going on behind the the scenes especially the OP. I'm not surprised though, I bet there was an inspiring speech in the SoL site last week claiming that SoL was attacked for no reason and how it has been a conspiracy against them and how they are the best and will fight through it and the usually bullcrap propoganda.

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which is probably a lot less than most

But we know when most people change names because they have nothing to hide.

If I went from Helmet to Mr Cheating Alliance member and didn't tell anyone that's certainly different than going from Helmet to Head Accessory and everyone knowing I changed my name.

You can twist and manipulate the facts all you want, but I'm not buying it.

this is earth empires

there is little to no cheating whatever your nic is


and frankly i dont care if you buy it or not

Yeah, RD doesn't cheat because they can't hardly get away with it. How honorable!

To be fair if there is any alliance that can take being beat down it is SOL (iMag too). Even the other warring alliances lose members when they are hit.

What exactly is the point of being a new member in RD and not cheating? I can understand being in RD if you are an old color and just want to play with old friends. But why would anyone join RD now?

My point exactly.

a better choice than any of the other tags currently in the game?

why did you join where you are ozzite?

RD came here knowing there would be no cheating

excuse us for helping to bring players back to the game

all the people that have tried to get in over the years can now?

Oh yea, being way outnumbered is never fun in a war. We all know this, yet it happens.

Thinking back though of my many years of playing in small netting tags, sol is the only alliance thats killed my tags. 3 times have those suckers of fluff tag killed my alliance. Always an unprovoked FS, with greater than 2:1 advantage, and I still dont like to see them gangbanged.

How is 150 vs 100 a gangbang, WoG would have taken those odds.

Come on man, it was over after the FS. Not even close. Didnt look like a very fun war either.

mazooka, wake up.

No reallly.I'm...just glad..Aaron Tippin...is so such a gracous host;

Hey...lets not forget..OUR VERY BEST ALLIES....OMG...

How bad could it be?

Its fun

?

PP1 stated correctly LCN didn't overgrab SOL and SOL refused to talk. The hallmarks of a bully attitude. You dish it out, don't complain when it comes back to you. It's really that simple.

SOL FSed LCN.

Not SOL plus 3 alliances. That's one thing I can understand that is being used as an argument.

SOL, ARROW, RAGE & STEEL spell SARS. ofc they had to go...

youre an idiot. im not going to get baited into an arguement with you.

lol

purposeful1, you're wrong. Just stating some BS because you -think- its true does not make it true. SOL initiated 3 total landgrabs last set in the first 2 weeks because as an alliance, we were block exploring.

Maybe some facts will set you straight?

ICN last reset was actively looking for SOL members to hit. This is just one example of several..

1.6 hours ago
I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) [ICNxGARY] attempted to spy on Das elite SoL (#341) [SOLdiers]!

1.7 hours ago
I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) [ICNxGARY] attempted to spy on Solaria (#665) [SOLdiers]!

1.7 hours ago
I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) [ICNxGARY] attempted to spy on Honor Guard SOL (#618) [SOLdiers]!

5.2 hours ago
KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) [ICNxGARY] attempted to spy on SoLe SuRViVoR (#544) [SOLdiers]!

Roughly two weeks into last reset, out of every hit on SOL, ICN had done 1 out of 3 and LCN had hit us a dozen times. If you weren't looking to provoke a war, maybe you should control your members a bit better. Or maybe stop and think - hmm we keep hitting SOL who is going to find someoen to hit, maybe we should tone down the daily grabbing.

You guys poked the bear and then got stomped, as far as EE's history goes, last reset was as good a reason as any for war. It was certainly not unprovoked and every war we have been involved in the last 12 months has had one eye on the fact that SOL is going to fight every reset and the other eye on making sure we aren't just hitting an innocent party for the sake of it. See: SoF/LaF/MD/imag histories.

All this other crap trotted out by boneheads like Nukevil are meant to take the focus of the disgraceful actions of alliances like LaF that bleat like stuck pigs about the 'state of the game' then literally go out of their way to go back to the bad old days when it suits them. We won't complain about getting hit or starting new factions/coalition - but to have such a divergence from a path that was looking more like a path towards having meaningful wars, meaningful grudge matches and where the risk of losing was perhaps the most enjoyable aspect - its sad.

I'm just angry MD and co had to choose this reset, when I'm in TIE as a 1 set thing, to attack SOL... and calling RD our allies... blahg

Well, when you sign an FDP, allies is the word that gets thrown around.

dagga, I don't know where to look up last set's news, so I can't properly look at the stats, but your words seem a little twisted to me. *IF* LCN had made a dozen hits within the first two weeks, I'm sure nearly all of those were near day 14 (because you can bet your behind that if SOL was batch exploring, LCN was, too--and probably slower, considering we were on 240-280 CS, while you guys were on 180-200). Regardless, regular landgrabs exchanged between unpacted alliances certainly aren't a declaration of war. We weren't farming any SOL countries--at most, it'd be one PS per 48 hours on a single country. As I recall, you guys retalled just fine, and came out ahead on many (if not all) of the hits. If there was a problem (there didn't seem to be, as you guys were likewise landgrabbing us, as you mention), then standard procedure is to have a FA contact the other alliance to say, "hey, we don't like this." We would have gladly adjusted our landgrabs accordingly.

The hits were constant and 90% you hitting us. It's up to you to decide whats acceptable or not. It wasn't acceptable to us, so you got hit.

+points


:)

Below is all news between SOL and LCN before SOL FSed ICN and LCN on Apr/27/11 at ~22:00. Read from the bottom up for chronological order.

Apr/26/11 14:58:09 	PS 	Sic Semper Tyrannis SoL (#246) (SOLdiers) 	Purposeful1 (#202) (LCNostra) 	2321 	A 	3936 	A
Apr/26/11 14:41:00 	PS 	Purposeful1 (#202) (LCNostra) 	Sic Semper Tyrannis SoL (#246) (SOLdiers) 	2032 	A 	2989 	A
Apr/26/11 8:48:08 	PS 	bloodywave (#395) (LCNostra) 	Nagger hur now (#737) (SOLdiers) 	321 	A 	479 	A
Apr/25/11 19:02:50 	PS 	bloodywave (#395) (LCNostra) 	Nigga hur now (#737) (SOLdiers) 	202 	A 	367 	A
Apr/24/11 1:22:51 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	987 	A 	1756 	A
Apr/24/11 1:19:34 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	1467 	A 	2452 	A
Apr/23/11 21:35:19 	PS 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	2023 	A 	2979 	A
Apr/23/11 21:31:09 	PS 	Nigga hur now (#737) (SOLdiers) 	motherfunker (#738) (LCNostra) 	559 	A 	688 	A
Apr/22/11 21:39:05 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	826 	A 	1579 	A
Apr/22/11 8:44:58 	PS 	God Of War (#239) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	1009 	A 	1549 	A
Apr/21/11 13:36:26 	PS 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	God Of War (#239) (SOLdiers) 	1411 	A 	2076 	A
Apr/21/11 2:07:48 	PS 	alexbajd (#11) (LCNostra) 	Who Dey SOLers (#33) (SOLdiers) 	1413 	A 	1996 	A
Apr/20/11 13:11:15 	PS 	Who Dey SOLers (#33) (SOLdiers) 	alexbajd (#11) (LCNostra) 	1453 	A 	2324 	A
Apr/20/11 8:21:47 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Monex (#567) (LCNostra) 	1098 	A 	1953 	A
Apr/19/11 2:57:13 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	1226 	A 	1764 	A
Apr/19/11 2:56:49 	SS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	1026 	A 	1432 	A
Apr/19/11 2:47:47 	PS 	Monex (#567) (LCNostra) 	Little Butt Nugget (#93) (SOLdiers) 	918 	A 	1444 	A
Apr/19/11 2:02:50 	PS 	Zen (#281) (LCNostra) 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	1304 	A 	1939 	A
Apr/18/11 22:59:42 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Zen (#281) (LCNostra) 	1586 	A 	2839 	A
Apr/18/11 21:15:06 	PS 	Rougers Last Stand (#497) (LCNostra) 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	1472 	A 	2168 	A
Apr/18/11 5:08:38 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	LCNachos n Cheez (#120) (LCNostra) 	1068 	A 	1669 	A
Apr/17/11 23:59:19 	PS 	Sic Semper Tyrannis SoL (#246) (SOLdiers) 	LCNachos n Cheez (#120) (LCNostra) 	899 	A 	1341 	A
Apr/16/11 16:14:01 	PS 	abSOLutely flawless (#399) (SOLdiers) 	Monex (#567) (LCNostra) 	770 	A 	1187 	A
Apr/16/11 3:02:43 	PS 	Sic Semper Tyrannis SoL (#246) (SOLdiers) 	LCNachos n Cheez (#120) (LCNostra) 	1032 	A 	1508 	A
Apr/15/11 23:55:09 	PS 	LCNachos n Cheez (#120) (LCNostra) 	Praes Speedos (#295) (SOLdiers) 	444 	A 	721 	A
Apr/14/11 20:29:30 	PS 	Monex (#567) (LCNostra) 	Who Dey SOLers (#33) (SOLdiers) 	507 	A 	781 	A
Apr/14/11 16:58:51 	PS 	LCNachos n Cheez (#120) (LCNostra) 	Solaria (#665) (SOLdiers) 	270 	A 	420 	A

And below is all news between SOL and ICN before that same time that SOL FSed both of them:

Apr/24/11 9:00:13 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	640 	A 	1376 	A
Apr/23/11 2:06:44 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	609 	A 	1249 	A
Apr/22/11 10:52:08 	PS 	458 is Our Number (#179) (SOLdiers) 	Silver Wings (#17) (ICNxGARY) 	1187 	A 	1907 	A
Apr/22/11 5:06:44 	PS 	Wonkoland (#591) (SOLdiers) 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	478 	A 	1002 	A
Apr/21/11 22:30:09 	PS 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	2192 	A 	2830 	A
Apr/21/11 22:30:00 	PS 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	2676 	A 	3423 	A
Apr/21/11 21:16:06 	PS 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	2191 	A 	3124 	A
Apr/21/11 12:20:52 	PS 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	FSU Nation (#626) (SOLdiers) 	1368 	A 	1997 	A
Apr/21/11 5:20:31 	PS 	Silver Wings (#17) (ICNxGARY) 	458 is Our Number (#179) (SOLdiers) 	1041 	A 	1527 	A
Apr/20/11 20:30:42 	PS 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) (ICNxGARY) 	453 	A 	756 	A
Apr/20/11 20:30:35 	SS 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) (ICNxGARY) 	374 	A 	702 	A
Apr/19/11 20:15:47 	PS 	If You See This Im Hitting (#461) (SOLdiers) 	KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) (ICNxGARY) 	901 	A 	1367 	A
Apr/19/11 18:29:49 	PS 	KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) (ICNxGARY) 	something (#195) (SOLdiers) 	798 	A 	1361 	A
Apr/19/11 11:10:38 	PS 	458 is Our Number (#179) (SOLdiers) 	jcatron (#282) (ICNxGARY) 	432 	A 	851 	A
Apr/19/11 4:32:12 	PS 	Silver Wings (#17) (ICNxGARY) 	458 is Our Number (#179) (SOLdiers) 	1339 	A 	1964 	A
Apr/19/11 3:04:41 	PS 	458 is Our Number (#179) (SOLdiers) 	Ducktape fixes everything (#345) (ICNxGARY) 	433 	A 	757 	A
Apr/19/11 0:02:49 	PS 	abSOLutely flawless (#399) (SOLdiers) 	The Kraken (#44) (ICNxGARY) 	918 	A 	1670 	A
Apr/18/11 19:22:59 	PS 	Silver Wings (#17) (ICNxGARY) 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	1494 	A 	2124 	A
Apr/18/11 15:42:20 	PS 	KuariOwesMeCookiesBadTWMyCookies (#385) (ICNxGARY) 	Demolition Legion (#84) (SOLdiers) 	852 	A 	1354 	A
Apr/17/11 19:13:55 	PS 	Honor Guard SOL (#618) (SOLdiers) 	Its Peanut Butter Cookie Time (#54) (ICNxGARY) 	1015 	A 	1875 	A
Apr/17/11 13:09:40 	PS 	The Kraken (#44) (ICNxGARY) 	Mrs SoL needs a doctor (#472) (SOLdiers) 	1275 	A 	1851 	A
Apr/16/11 8:24:47 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	539 	A 	756 	A
Apr/16/11 4:45:53 	PS 	SNSDSOLVisualDreams (#45) (SOLdiers) 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	754 	A 	1124 	A
Apr/16/11 2:51:40 	PS 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	Bugger off Mate (#48) (SOLdiers) 	1261 	A 	1687 	A
Apr/15/11 12:18:33 	PS 	The Spooky Rookie Cookie Wookie (#420) (ICNxGARY) 	SNSDSOLVisualDreams (#45) (SOLdiers) 	908 	A 	1235 	A
Apr/14/11 23:33:46 	PS 	Toilet Seat Bacon Strips (#83) (SOLdiers) 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	542 	A 	752 	A
Apr/14/11 22:03:24 	PS 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	Toilet Seat Bacon Strips (#83) (SOLdiers) 	856 	A 	1118 	A
Apr/11/11 2:20:13 	PS 	Show Time (#492) (SOLdiers) 	The Kraken (#44) (ICNxGARY) 	512 	A 	693 	A
Apr/10/11 16:57:11 	PS 	The Kraken (#44) (ICNxGARY) 	Show Time (#492) (SOLdiers) 	553 	A 	693 	A
Apr/10/11 5:06:03 	PS 	Jiman (#71) (SOLdiers) 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	174 	A 	269 	A
Apr/09/11 16:27:17 	PS 	I licked Kuaris cookie (#62) (ICNxGARY) 	The Ichthyomasochist (#232) (SOLdiers) 	213 	A 	293 	A

dagga,

Just for future reference, if you have access to the SOL unacceptability quota, could you ask that it be published beside your retal policy? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Thanks, NukEvil. Looks to me like about 8 hits on SOL from LCN vs. 9 hits on LCN from SOL. Granted, both those numbers are probably plus or minus 2 depending on how you count retals or RoRs, but that looks even more even than I remembered it.

Looking at those LGs... I can't exactly see how SoL FSing would be justified on the grabs(lol RoR). Now if LCN had been the ones with the FS...

I included news from ICN as well.

It's confusing that way, probably better to put the ICN news in a separate post.

Looks more like LCN should've been doing the declaring than SOL.

dag nab it, NukEvil. Make a different post for the ICN ones!

There, I put them separate in the same post.