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Lol we should begin thinking about moving away from our block? Your statements make me want to kill Sof again. As if I needed another reason.

I want to play spider on the wall.... best kj irc game

I am not actively playing in MD. And I was a big person in MD being pro to getting friendly with SoF again when I was in MD leadership. I really liked you guys, especially you aponic :P

However that was at the start of my return to MD leadership. As time progressed SoF proved itself an alliance that deserved death. I hope MD/SoL and LCN remember that SoF would NOT throw you all a bone, SoF would not do anything nice. They would promise it, but never follow up. They betray and are an alliance that cannot be trusted.

I would hope that is remembered. Maybe in 2 years SoF can get that bone, until then treat SoF the way they would treat you. Very very badly. Maybe next time SoF regains some power they will remember that lesson.

Sorry to have distorted the quote a bit but I am on my phone. I like what you have to say Havoc. The two juggernauts with making long term political actions are always whether tire actions will be well received (will sof grow to be a better alliance for the whole server) and will natural changes in leadership make the gesture worthless. I think if you take a stance contrary to the one that you suggested, you are mashing the game less fun for everyone as a whole.

Locutus, it is always good to see you. Although I can understand your sentiment, I think isolating any alliance for a period of two years would either reduce then to a shell alliance or worse. There has been a trend over the post several years fit attrition style politics and wars. I think sof was and perhaps is a big part of that but the way forward is not to isolate each other. It is actually the complete opposite. We ask need more dialogue -more open dialogue. I don't think MD, SOL, it LCN have anything to lose from engaging In that sense.

By the way, we have been moving in that direction. Big thanks to key people in those alliances.

So what you are saying is that you are the one lying then?

I had only returned to the game the set LAF hit MD and was only made a Head days before the war broke out, so I was not in receipt of any information from Hanlong. In fact prior to the break out of that war I had much more communication with Arsenal than I did Hanlong. After SoF/MD relations were broken I had only spoken to Pride to give him IA advice up until Arsenal stood down as such I had issues no such demands. Ivan was more involved in SoF politics at this time so perhaps you should refer your claims to him.

After Pride basically backstabbed SoF and FSed us I had zero contact with anyone in MD till Fuji contacted me after Pride had announced he was stepping down. How would I demand Pride step down if I had spoken to no one? Zero messages exchanged between MD and myself from 12-5-12 to 2-28-13. So again please tell me how it is that I demand that Pride stand down in MD?

The truth is you are lying about me making demands of MD to remove it's leaders, the onus is on you and others in MD to prove otherwise. Do you have that little respect of EE players in general that you feel the need to lie to them in order to make them see your point of view?

Sov... let it roll, they are trying to justify their bullfluff... they got something coming. They just need excuses to not war 1v1 because they know they would get pounded.

Funny how I was told otherwise by your fellow players :)

Oh really?

20th Feb 2012
http://www.earthempires.com/...change-15552?t=1329871157

24th Feb 2012
http://www.earthempires.com/...cay%21-15678?t=1331115501


4 days before war broke out.

Try harder.

My memory sucks. Like Slash, I don't keep logs.

I also don't really care who leads SoF, past/present/future. I tend to just view the alliance for its actions.

I was pro-SoF and anti-LaF when I returned to MD.
My feelings turned against SoF when they sided with LaF after the cheating scandal. And, siding with LaF, they then proceeded to form a power block that arrogantly screwed the server (and MD in particular) for 2 years.

That's basically how I see it.

Currently I am more pro-LaF and anti-SoF. Again, not based on just "the people in leadership" but based on the alliance's actions and FA relations towards/with MD.

SoF's arrogance over the past two years cannot be understated. And i see no reason to believe that, given an inch back, they wouldn't take a mile.

At least we know LaF wants to net. SoF wants to war - how do you make peace with that?

SOF aren't the only ones who have played / manipulated / tried to crush a smaller oponent out of the game to their own benefit.. They just got caught out and now being made to pay for it...

I do find it interesting that sof's largest allies rd and laf both have been caught cheating.. Ponders what rival are up too? Its a reasonable question when currently its 2 out of 3 or 70% cheating

You guys talk about the past way to much, I remember when MD was the dominant political force in the server, and the 90s came and went, so let it go. Everyone knows Imag and Clowns w/ Guns should be running this server by now, they never got a shot, I feel like they are due.

HAN declares FDP with SOF!

Confirm!

tl;dr

'we don't have the upper hand anymore, quick lets try to make nice with those we shafted in the past and hope they treat us better than we treated them.'

If i played in sof i would take as much as the block can dish out. Imo there is no way the an emo block will hold together. Just a matter of time before they start fluffin at eachother. You all are your own worst enemy.
Besides the block is only after sof, laf get a pass. So your goals are only half complete.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

Everyone should refer their claims to me
and this thread is hilarious

/fluff

MARTIAN IS A MEJSEL

Sof can only ask to be treated how they have treated others... Same applies to every alliance.

Yea pretty much the same. I rejoined EE and learned to hate hanlongs Laf due to their actions. Now i have nothing against Laf ( especially after the episode when the RD folks stated their hate for Lafs Don ) and i despite Sof.
Overall Laf did a good FR job, thus no one hates them to much now, maybe only Evo or Makinso somewhere there deep, hidden. Sof ? They sucked the fluff out of Laf and RD in order to outnumber and destroy enemies of their own in the last 8-9 resets. They somehow lost the allies upper-hand now, but remember : in 2 years they fought exactly 2 even wars, all the others were block wars, FA wars or other fluff like that. Now they faced the Christmas war ( which by the way - was more even than 90% of the wars they fought before ) and this set war.

Their approach is sensitive, but why in 2014? And not in early 2013 ?

They dressed and make up a shiny new FR and people are supposed to forget everything?
And there are people who trust and follow Sov ? Damn you must be dumb folks ... Looks at his trajectory - IX and god (Mehul) knows what he did there - closest ally of Hanlongs Laf - and closest ally ( part of ) RD before the mass PangXtinction. I swear, if a cheater is born in xHGWTx Sov will be there ...

And wtf is with that blufluff with "Sov is not in leadership but the wife is president". Get the fluff out of Baghdad ...

i'll vote for you Havco

Certainly a fair opinion. Similar to Havoc, I can't say that you are wrong either.

That is the reality of life Trife. I wasn't here for the past two years. I came back to straighten things out. It's not a secret.

i wonder if he will own up to it...

as much as Sov is attacked for (allegedly) lying, spinning, etc. I've never seen him shut down once the facts/logs/etc. are laid down. Usually his detractors will drop their points or vanish. This has happened twice in the current thread.

This thread is full of SOF fluff lol. Good luck.

As for more important stuff

hows life treating ya aponic?

I would if MSN didnt go poof, I'm sure someone saved the log somewhere, people usually do, or maybe you can get flamey to post here as he was the one who told me about your "information exchanges" with hlw...

Yes, I'm sure that is the case.

you can still get msn logs off your computer...lol I still get on MSN threw a client like trillian from time to time...=p

Hi MauricXe.

I have logs from waaaaayyyyyyy back! Even ICQ!! :P

Maurice - they are afraid to fight us 1v1 and will grasp to any excuse they can think of not to fight 1v1 because they would lose badly.

afraid of you ? The alliance that denied a major portion of even wars in the last 2 years ....

bahahahahah!!!

Still avoiding the question Alin Anus...

I already told you the answer. respectively : " No, you should not be allowed to use internet - it might hurt your brain "

I am good Ivan. Working a lot. How about you?

The reality is one on one - your side cannot match ours. You look for any excuse to keep it lopsided.

same here, way to much time at work lately and then the kids claims the rest of my time :)
Anyway have fun sorting out the mess

/Ivan

You have alot of work cut out for you apo .

Cant believe Ivan is here! Hi old pal

It's funny cause I said the same thing when I came back a year and a half ago. Nobody really gave a damn and still wanted to keep old fluff going.

These tired old conflicts have been going on for so long that nobody even knows why fluff turned out the way it did anymore..

Ltns Zahc! I was just stoppin by after another invite to join X tag and saw this thread and my name being mentioned so figured id reply. hope life is treating you fluffy :)

I realize that there is a lot of hurt feeling floating around here, but I wonder if the current holders of power want the circle to continue?

It is, as aponic said in his first post, the ball is in the SoLMD-block's court, it is up to you to decide how the politics of the next few years play out.

IVAN U ANGRY SKINNY SWEDE long time bud, hi :) as for the flaming of aponic. U ALL are off base on that one.. during the time in which everyone is angry at sof for actions they did or did not have coming. Aponic was taking a break from the game.. i would know i was in SoF and was in leadership of SoF as well at that time he wasnt there. and believe me, if he posts something like the original topic stated, i feel he is the most genuine person trying to right the SoF titanic (at the moment it looks like on the outside), u all need to check up on the hate and try to view it unbiasedly. Now am i saying u should pact SoF? No im not saying u should or shouldnt, u just need to re-evaluate things. No one is innocent we all and all of our alliances have done shady things....


PS: Scode likes no one, even himself, except for PG i feel he secretly has a thing for her and would love to treat her as one of his many sheep

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

why is alin allowed to post here?

interesting that switching alin's l with v leads to ivan

the na'vi are a volvogram of ivan

ivan is from the land of volvos

volvos backwards is sovlov

sov loves alin

now the circle is complete. the circle of life. and it moves us all. through despair and hope. through faith and love. unill we find our place. n the path unwinding

Well, probably not years :)

Unfortunately, the "ball" always needs to be in one court or the other. I don't see much sharing here. And given how SoF treated us (collectively) when the "ball" was in THEIR court, I'd say the focus right now is on making sure it doesn't get there again.

I wonder if the finger pointing will ever actually stop or will it always be "well so and so did this 3,7,12 (insert whatever number you like) resets ago so we can do it now.

Great start on repairing relations...

MDswallowedmyjizz (#556)
MDSOL worthless penny stocks (#396)
Mdevol Lied His FFA Clan Died (#87)

Also, I have a feeling this one is directed at our side but no solid proof:

SUCK IT (#274)

;)