January/February 2013 Talk - Earth Empires Forum

OneMansArmy

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Feb 26th 2013, 23:08:55

I would be happy with a T20 spot this time. I am already double my last sets networth so this is a huge improvement for me. :)

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Serpentor

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Feb 27th 2013, 1:16:03

Yeah and you'll be able to build on that next set. Good job.

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blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 1:44:14

Once I got screwed by food I stopped even trying heh. Sucks to have a perfect first 45 days and then a piece of fluff round.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 1:55:07

who r u this set blid?

blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:13:58

Invisible Cities. The story of an almost great country turned to dust.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:17:28

It's all the worse because I actually sold a bunch for $72, I was really the first one "out," but the food prices still duped me, I thought they weren't going to crash (the prices held up for a little bit after my food dump and tech prices were still $2200 afterall) so I bought back in with SOs for $65 while prices were $69 and lost all the value of my stock anyway.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:18:56

Gogy stopped stealing tech from afaik, and started stealing tech from me.

2 days ago, I lost 180k tech points. (20 ops)
Yesterday, I lost 150k tech points. (35 ops)
Today, I lost 420k tech points. (41 ops on me, so more than 1 person)

Don't count on a great finish from me guys!

Edited By: Xinhuan on Feb 27th 2013, 2:28:26
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blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:20:31

He needs that tech if he's gonna make a 50m networth finish!

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:32:24

ah yea, that was a nice country...and food did screw you. You are the demo I had in the t10 tho, don't F this up for me!

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:33:33

how in the heck are ops still getting through at 41 ops? And 2 people doing is in a way better for you b/c then you'll always be in spy DR

blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:35:55

I won't be there. PromiseLand has a chance maybe for a dem?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:43:04

dang it blid.

blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 2:48:50

It hurts for me more than it hurts you Bobby. :)

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Rob

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:20:04

Looks like gogy is stealing tech from everyone. He was at it for 3 days on me too. First day lost about 100k. Next day 50k. The third day he failed 19/20 ops i think and then gave up

OneMansArmy

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:23:14

Tech is dirt cheap now. Buy back what he stole for half the price of what you got it for originally!

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
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Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:23:23

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

how in the heck are ops still getting through at 41 ops? And 2 people doing is in a way better for you b/c then you'll always be in spy DR

28 of those 41 ops got through, Bobby. Or to be more specific, 22 of the last 35 got through (about 2/3), they were on a different time from the first 6 which had a 100% rate.

And Gogy has a worse SPAL than me, about half I think.

The way spy ops work can be a little infuriating at times.

oldman

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:24:44

Originally posted by OneMansArmy:

Tech is dirt cheap now. Buy back what he stole for half the price of what you got it for originally!

Great deal huh?

Sadly, it doesn't work that way. You need to calculate if the $ spent buying them back is worth the additional income generated, and at this point of time in the set, it's unlikely to be worth it.

Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:31:34

Originally posted by OneMansArmy:

Tech is dirt cheap now. Buy back what he stole for half the price of what you got it for originally!

It costs $440m dollars to buy back the 400k tech that was lost. 400k tech gives 800k NW, and gives about $220m more income for the rest of the reset, which is another 0.84m NW, for a total gain of 1.64m NW.

That $440m dollars could have gotten 1.68m NW normally at $262/NW. In other words, it isn't worth buying back the tech unless it falls below $1000.

And even then, the tech loss in itself is already a 800k NW loss, and a 1.4% loss in income over the remainder of the reset, which is another 2m NW, for a total of 2.8m NW loss.

OneMansArmy

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:31:56

I was wondering why even the dirt cheap tech was having troubles selling off each day. I figured it was something like that..

Already made my point about espionage being too powerful in the B&S area:
http://forums.earthempires.com/...onage-spy-op-too-powerful

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

crest23

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:33:36

I think everyone has had tech stolen from them this set. I have 3 people on my case. 2 I hit, the third one is a ghost.

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oldman

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:34:56

722 posts! Primary has never been livelier!

Rob

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Feb 27th 2013, 3:35:15

Wow everyone seems to be online at the same time!

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:14:09

Xin that is infuriating and, weirdly, not similar to what I've experienced in my recent wars in primary and tourny. There seems to be a point, depending on relative SPALs, where spy success just drops to almost 0% effectiveness. For roughly equal SPALs I'd say that's around 15 ops and even with much better SPALs I'd say it's around 25. So, wow I can't believe ops were still getting through at 41.

Is there any chance espionage is not subject to spy DRs? I know spy, ally spy, etc. the nonharmful ops aren't subject to spy DR

Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:18:48

No idea. The 40th and 41st steal tech on me were both successful by the way.

6 of the last 10 were successful steals. (That's op number 32 to 41). Even If I were to assume that spy ops DR is cleared at server time midnight everyday (which I think is how it works), that is still the 26th-35th op, in theory, I should well be into spy DR by then.

My only conclusion is that, if you do multiple harmful ops (as in type in 35 ops all at one go), the spy DR isn't added until all 35 are done.

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:22:40

I fairly certain spy DR is on 24 hour schedule like normal DR. It used to reset at midnight but that was changed sometime in the last year or two.

Your idea about spy DR not being updated until all the ops that you do in one go are calculated is a very interesting one. I'll test it out tomorrow.

Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:22:55

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

My only conclusion is that, if you do multiple harmful ops (as in type in 35 ops all at one go), the spy DR isn't added until all 35 are done.

I'll even quote myself to emphasize this, because looking back at the ops done, the chances of success seems evenly distributed (2/3 success) across all 35 ops. (You can only do 35 ops per day on Primary). Basically, my theory is that it would work like batch exploring.

Maybe Bobby can test the theory on someone.

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:25:36

I think there is a good chance your theory is right Xinhuan. And I will test it out and get back to everyone:P

Assuming your theory is correct, I'm very happy Seth didn't know about this before our war. He kicked my ass enough as is.

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:36:58

I don't think it's even possible to do more than 10 spy ops at a time...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:44:32

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

Is there any chance espionage is not subject to spy DRs? I know spy, ally spy, etc. the nonharmful ops aren't subject to spy DR

All spy ops are subjected to Spy DR. A target that has been bombed buildings 40 times, you'll definitely get a hard time getting a spy op after that.

I wonder if there are different difficulties(chances of success) in the various ops like in Utopia.

h2orich

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:45:17

Originally posted by blid:

I don't think it's even possible to do more than 10 spy ops at a time...

Yes you only can do a maximum of 10 ops at a time.

blid

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Feb 27th 2013, 4:46:35

It's like these guys have never warred before. :P

BTW... Say I had no corruption all stocking period. 13,000tpt * 60 turns * 24 days * $2000 = $37b, /250 = $150m nw plus the 20m I had when I started stocking = $170m nw finish. Instead I'll probably finish at uhh like 80m or something, haha... Kill me

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Feb 27th 2013, 5:01:56

Well, when we war, spy ops are used in between attacks to regain readiness, we don't normally key in 35 ops at a go. :P

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 5:03:14

Originally posted by h2orich:

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

Is there any chance espionage is not subject to spy DRs? I know spy, ally spy, etc. the nonharmful ops aren't subject to spy DR

All spy ops are subjected to Spy DR. A target that has been bombed buildings 40 times, you'll definitely get a hard time getting a spy op after that.

Ah you may be right. I was remembering this thread: http://forums.earthempires.com/...nor-spy-operation-changes

I guess normal spy ops don't cause DR, but others do (as opposed to all ops cause DR, but only harmful ops are affected by DR). Anyways it could still be that espionage doesn't cause DR, much like market spying a guy 20 times doesn't cause DR.

h2orich

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Feb 27th 2013, 6:48:27

Non-Harmful Ops DOES NOT cause Spy DR to increase
Harmful Ops causes Spy DR to increase

Both Non-Harmful and Harmful Ops is affected by Spy DR(meaning if a country is in Spy DR, it would have lower chance of success)

List of Non-Harmful and Harmful can be found here
http://wiki.earthempires.com/index.php/Spy_Center

OneMansArmy

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Feb 27th 2013, 11:26:36

And we have our first 100mil country so far!

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 PromiseLand (#234) 37,777 $100,390,402 DG
2 Quarantine (#53) 75,516 $94,443,375 CG
3 Bin Laden (#263) 31,070 $85,194,921 DG
4 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#80) 69,675 $84,751,078 CG
5 Panzer Division MD (#171) 60,437 $69,933,448 CG
6 The James Craig (#106) 67,479 $67,288,591 CG
7 Street Fighter (#130) 74,858 $64,777,198 CG
8 Swamp Guardians (#19) 58,932 $64,520,947 CG
9 The Cloaked is a wanker (#213) 67,745 $62,385,363 CG
10 AustAgder (#210) 94,922 $55,128,420 TG

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

BobbyATA

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Feb 27th 2013, 15:06:20

h20, I'm suggesting there may be a bug. Since espionage you are able to do to a country with GDI protection, it is programmed special somewhere in the code, and perhaps a mistake was made when doing this to basically assign it to the group of non-harmful ops.

Edited By: BobbyATA on Feb 27th 2013, 15:09:22
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Serpentor

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Feb 27th 2013, 16:34:23

Can this thread surpass the bonus thread?

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h2orich

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Feb 27th 2013, 16:39:08

If you take 738/55 days * 60 days = 805 posts.

So no.

crest23

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Feb 27th 2013, 18:31:48

Yes, it will.

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Magellaan

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Feb 27th 2013, 18:42:15

It might :)

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Serpentor

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Feb 27th 2013, 20:24:32

H2o says no, so how could it?

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LATC

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Feb 27th 2013, 20:54:59

challenge

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

LATC

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Feb 27th 2013, 20:55:08

accepted

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Bee

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Feb 27th 2013, 21:03:42

you know what's weird, last reset in alliance server i went 46/46 bombing jets on a dict who had about same spal as me, and yet sometimes in prim I repeatedly fail regular spy ops on guys with far less SPAL than me.. so go figure.

crest23

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Feb 27th 2013, 22:09:00

Make that 4 people on my case. So many garbage countries.

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