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Dec 16th 2021, 17:25:35

Originally posted by KAMJIIN:
Usually lurking, but as I'm loosely involved, I'll break my vow of silence. I have to agree about Hungry. He was one of my defense allies. He deserved it. This round of Primary is the second set he cost me. I finally just killed myself so I would stop taking attacks from angry players he'd griefed with ABs. My own defenses couldn't hold and I couldn't raise my NW because he'd cost me about 200k turrets twice a day. My last few rounds have been terrible on all Primary and Express and I can link it to him. He didn't start off this way, and was a nice enough player when we first teamed up. IDK.


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Dec 17th 2021, 0:52:34

Originally posted by galleri:
Originally posted by g0nz0:
Originally posted by Primeval:
I've already clearly explained this and given you sound advice for the future. I dont plan on revisiting the topic.


Don't sign as "Qbert"?

The whole "can't incognito" thing was settled within 10 minutes. The rest of the time was you guys not giving a fluff, while trying to prove I was Chevs. Skip the "With great power comes great respo...". You guys banned me, came up with as many excuses, then when you couldn't prove your theory, sent a PM "looks great!".

Either you guys were lying about what you saw on your end, or didn't understand what you were looking at. Also she admitted in the end. But that's old news. Moving on.

No. I admitted the reason why you came onto my radar. The fact is you actually were breaking a rule.
And then you wanted to try every which way to ask questions to get around what you were doing and not replying to my responses.
Like Prime said stop revisiting old news. I am not entertaining it anymore either.


QE fricken D

Cumorah Game profile

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Dec 17th 2021, 0:53:27

I find the price for food remains rude. I’m blaming Biden for the inflationary pressures.

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Dec 17th 2021, 1:21:20

Let's Go Brandon!

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Dec 17th 2021, 4:49:15

fluff Biden!
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Dec 17th 2021, 14:52:27

Biden reads everything on the teleprompter just like Run Burgundy

We need someone to hack in and change his teleprompter

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Dec 17th 2021, 14:52:51

Originally posted by Rocky79:
Let's Go Brandon!


Ditto!

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Dec 17th 2021, 18:22:35

Originally posted by Rocky79:
Biden reads everything on the teleprompter just like Run Burgundy

We need someone to hack in and change his teleprompter


He didn't use it for his corn pop story. Now corn pop was a bad dude!

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Dec 17th 2021, 18:27:15

LOL


Hey how about them bushel prices!

:P
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Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 17th 2021, 22:56:01

So, if I lose a lot a lot of jets when I attack someone, does that mean I sent too many?

I feel like I lost a disproportionate number of jets when I attacked today

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Dec 17th 2021, 23:43:15

It's too general a conclusion to draw upon that.
It can have several other explainations that has nothing to do with that.

Other things that affect this ratio (of offensive units to defensive units lost) are for instance Medical tech(defender), weaps tech, attack type, DR, govts, readiness, and just the randomness of defensive losses.

Now if you lost 500 times more, then yes, you oversent, no matter these other factors, but several of these factors can actually be pretty large if taken to the extreme. Within 'normal' grabbing parameters however, the your losses should usually be ~1.25-5 times defenders losses.

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Dec 18th 2021, 1:03:08

Originally posted by Gerdler:
It's too general a conclusion to draw upon that.
It can have several other explainations that has nothing to do with that.

Other things that affect this ratio (of offensive units to defensive units lost) are for instance Medical tech(defender), weaps tech, attack type, DR, govts, readiness, and just the randomness of defensive losses.

Now if you lost 500 times more, then yes, you oversent, no matter these other factors, but several of these factors can actually be pretty large if taken to the extreme. Within 'normal' grabbing parameters however, the your losses should usually be ~1.25-5 times defenders losses.


The attacker always loses 8% of the units they sent, correct?

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Dec 18th 2021, 1:15:18

yep. defender can lose obscenely little when the DR goes high tho.

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Dec 18th 2021, 1:32:08

I imagine if the people getting grabbed have defense bonuses that also kills more offense, right?
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Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 18th 2021, 3:32:36

Yeah I lost over 600k jets and the defender only lost 130k turrets, but his allies lost almost 200k turrets

I guess I won't really know if I over sent but I assume I did

I didn't spy the target at all I just sent a bunch of jets on a planned strike :)

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Dec 18th 2021, 5:22:19

Originally posted by Rocky79:
Yeah I lost over 600k jets and the defender only lost 130k turrets, but his allies lost almost 200k turrets

I guess I won't really know if I over sent but I assume I did

I didn't spy the target at all I just sent a bunch of jets on a planned strike :)


If you are facing a dictatorship, high weapons tech, lots of medical. Two powerful defensive allies. It might cause some mischief with your numbers.

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Dec 20th 2021, 3:10:48

Ok guys, these bushels prices are getting ridiculous. Jokes, I don’t care. But if you farmers don’t break some records and take the top spots I’m going to be very disappointed.
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Dec 20th 2021, 3:23:01

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Ok guys, these bushels prices are getting ridiculous. Jokes, I don’t care. But if you farmers don’t break some records and take the top spots I’m going to be very disappointed.


I concur
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Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 20th 2021, 4:16:52

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Ok guys, these bushels prices are getting ridiculous. Jokes, I don’t care. But if you farmers don’t break some records and take the top spots I’m going to be very disappointed.


I think there is maybe only one farmer with more than 10,000 acres

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Dec 20th 2021, 6:53:53

Originally posted by Rocky79:
Originally posted by LightBringer:
Ok guys, these bushels prices are getting ridiculous. Jokes, I don’t care. But if you farmers don’t break some records and take the top spots I’m going to be very disappointed.


I think there is maybe only one farmer with more than 10,000 acres


I think the others have been run off, one one big one left from the looks of it.

Cumorah Game profile

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Dec 20th 2021, 10:44:49

Has #38 just given up? I am seeing a lot of raping and pillaging going on - it’s tempting to join in.

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Dec 20th 2021, 11:38:21

Originally posted by Cumorah:
Has #38 just given up? I am seeing a lot of raping and pillaging going on - it’s tempting to join in.


#38's last login was the 11th

Cumorah Game profile

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Dec 21st 2021, 4:21:42

Originally posted by Rocky79:
Originally posted by Cumorah:
Has #38 just given up? I am seeing a lot of raping and pillaging going on - it’s tempting to join in.


#38's last login was the 11th


I think I’ll pass on the pillage in case they log back in and want to get some revenge. Land grabs are Very tempting though.

Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 21st 2021, 14:12:58

Now the price of oil has gone crazy along with the food

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Dec 21st 2021, 17:33:19

How much are you all willing to pay for food?
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Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 21st 2021, 21:26:14

Your standing orders:
Purchase up to 555,555,555,555,555 Bushels at $55 or less. Cancel Order

LightBringer Game profile

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Dec 21st 2021, 23:16:36

$36 is my top price.
Hello

Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 3:57:59

I feel like the bushel price on private market is very disproportionate to the public market when you compare to the military prices on the private vs public market

Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 4:00:13

With a decent percentage of military costs tech I can get my price for jets down around $165, which is comparable to the public market price at 150 with a 6% commission added,

With that same military costs tech percentage my private market bushel price is still north of $300 per bushel, which seems odd and seems like it's something that should be fixed by the game developers

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Dec 22nd 2021, 4:04:59

Originally posted by Rocky79:
With a decent percentage of military costs tech I can get my price for jets down around $165, which is comparable to the public market price at 150 with a 6% commission added,

With that same military costs tech percentage my private market bushel price is still north of $300 per bushel, which seems odd and seems like it's something that should be fixed by the game developers


I want the developers to sanction whoever has been selling the $70+ food! This is vile and cruel. Player abuse.

Tmac Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 5:24:02

You want to sanction yourself? Lol

Originally posted by g0nz0:
Who TF buys food @ $80??
Stop buying my stock. I'll bump it to $90, see how it goes.

Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 5:44:31

lol

I just want my private market to be able to compete with the public market for bushel prices, especially if I have good military cost technology

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Dec 22nd 2021, 5:53:36

Originally posted by Rocky79:
lol

I just want my private market to be able to compete with the public market for bushel prices, especially if I have good military cost technology


I agree. I never understood why food on the pm was priced so high that nobody would ever buy it.

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Dec 22nd 2021, 7:24:30

I heard that if you buy 1 million mil tech points, it cancels one zero from the pvt bushel market....
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Dec 22nd 2021, 8:08:42

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
I heard that if you buy 1 million mil tech points, it cancels one zero from the pvt bushel market....


But I’ve already purchased over 3 million tech points and I see no change…
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Dec 22nd 2021, 10:10:13

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
I heard that if you buy 1 million mil tech points, it cancels one zero from the pvt bushel market....


But I’ve already purchased over 3 million tech points and I see no change…


You're doing it wrong....
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TidyTerry Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 10:32:41

My estimated food loss per turn went up just from buying food, how does that happen? It only went up by a few but still, I didn't do anything except buy bushels, how does having more bushels increase projected consumpstion?

LightBringer Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 10:39:40

Recourse decay, simply put, the more bushels you have, the more you lose per turn.
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Tmac Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 12:50:51

.1% is the decay rate. Buying 1m bushels will add 1k to food consumption.

Fyi, the decay rate is the same for cash over 2b.

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Dec 22nd 2021, 14:40:35

Its interesting because if you have a net consumption of say 1k food each turn, then ofc if you buy 1k food you have enough for 1 turn. And because of decay if you buy 100k food you have enough for about 90 turns according to the food projection tool ingame. Its a new feature and ofc its better than what we had before where food decay wasnt taken into account. But as your food stock decreases over those 90 turns, so does your decay. So in reality the food will last about 94-95 turns.

This all assumes constant food consumption, which basically means cashing/teching your turns and if you are teching, you have to not tech residential tech.

So what if you have 100m food then and still have a consumption before decay at 1k/turn? well you now consume 101k food per turn so it will calculate that you have enough food for 990 turns.
And if you have 1B food it will say 999 turns.
These are in fact very wrong. In reality you can last a lot longer than that.

It's quite easy (and decently quick) to solve this numerically in google sheet, matlab/octave/python/etc or excel. I could do it in 3 minutes or less, or I can dig up the sheet I did it on last time which might take longer. But I would have to solve it for each instance of Food consumption + Food on hand which means only being able to calculate it when I got the sheet/file available to me on a PC(or google sheet by phone).
The more elegant way to do it is to come up with the analytical expression for it, so you can calculate it on your phone calculator or TI-84 tho sadly I am not that good at math. Anyone?

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Dec 22nd 2021, 15:28:20

I just estimate my own decay. For example:

I have 10m bushels on hand. I take 5k off my consumption because I'll have an average of 5m bushels on hand per turn, not 10m.

Most the time I have way less and decay doesn't matter much to me.

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Dec 22nd 2021, 15:28:44

^^ you have way too much time on your hands

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Dec 22nd 2021, 16:48:54

Originally posted by Tmac:
I just estimate my own decay. For example:

I have 10m bushels on hand. I take 5k off my consumption because I'll have an average of 5m bushels on hand per turn, not 10m.

Most the time I have way less and decay doesn't matter much to me.

This is what I do as well for a quick and dirty calculation. But it's error will grow the more turns you spend since you will spend more turns with less than 5m bushels on hand than you will with more than 5m bushels on hand.
It works for all servers except express tho (well, not alpha).

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Dec 22nd 2021, 16:49:53

delete please, double post

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Dec 22nd 2021, 17:29:42

I pretty much just ignore decay. Kind of sloppy but I am lazy and stupid.
I financially support this game; what do you do?

Rocky79 Game profile

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Dec 22nd 2021, 18:46:09

I just get those pesky shortages

My military leaves and per capita income goes down, whoops

Edited By: Rocky79 on Dec 22nd 2021, 20:48:01

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Dec 23rd 2021, 10:52:47

I just attacked someone who had more than twice as many acres...thought I would get more.
For those wondering: "But Terry you just learned about food decay, why would you attack the 2nd largest country with so much time left in the set? Is it a case of not being able to resist stirring the pot"?
My thought process was - that is a lot of acres. I want acres. Food prices are extortionist....maybe the Christmas spirit will make them not retal.

Tmac Game profile

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Dec 23rd 2021, 11:08:18

You couldn't have gotten more than 2500 acres even if I had 100k acres. You can only get 10% of your total buildings.

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Dec 23rd 2021, 13:02:33

Originally posted by TidyTerry:
I just attacked someone who had more than twice as many acres...thought I would get more.
For those wondering: "But Terry you just learned about food decay, why would you attack the 2nd largest country with so much time left in the set? Is it a case of not being able to resist stirring the pot"?
My thought process was - that is a lot of acres. I want acres. Food prices are extortionist....maybe the Christmas spirit will make them not retal.


Those sorts of attacks rarely pay off, as we see here. I would also argue the Christmas spirit will make countries more likely to retal 😊

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Dec 23rd 2021, 14:17:45

Originally posted by Tmac:
You couldn't have gotten more than 2500 acres even if I had 100k acres. You can only get 10% of your total buildings.


If tmac was the farmer then he deserved the hit and Terry's sacrifice was for us all.