I'm late,


But Crush(ed) them!

Yes it is about the player base, back when 50 000 players where on this game it didn't matter. There was war clans with 100 plus membership and a lot of them around. I also had a lot more time to be around and play the game as well. What I don't want nowadays a grudge wars like we had in the past Ie, S.L.I.T wars that lasted multiple sets and made hundreds of people leave the game.

I'll take my nice easy 2 week war at the end of every set over burning myself out grudge warring all set.

Losers! sets of tight relations everything Maki and Weezy worked on down the drain.

Bring back weezy!

I have been saying for a while if you make the type of attack have a DR effect the amount of population killed it would take one type longer. If you force hybrid kills and give everything a type of population kill it would force people to have different types of units and tend to balance it out. ABs should kill pop at a lesser amount then BR or GS, but if you have done 50 GS attacks and then you do a BR the BR should kill more pop then the GS.

If you only did GSes it would take longer to kill and would solve some of the to many turns in a FS situation. War leaders would have to decide if it was more important to kill in less turns or to save jets when the target is lets say a 5k break.

These could have huge impacts in war.

Another spam tag bites the dust

I’m pretty sure 95 percent of the people who quit in the last year have been not due to suiciders or bully war tags

Does anyone believe that nonsense talking point anymore ?

and some wonder why players leave game, it's because there are retards like helltard who get kicks out of ruining others sets, owner of #484 had just returned and we convinced him to play even ~half a set had already passed and due what happened i wouldn't be surprised if he would leave again and this time for good.

I'm a professor at Erasmus. The university is run way worse than any institution I was at before. The bureaucracy is 10 times higher but the output of the bureaucracy is lower.

How are the numbers off? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Netherlands is 8 IN THE WORLD in total deaths. Every country ahead of the Netherlands has a population of at least 60 million (Netherlands = 17.5). In terms of deaths/population, Netherlands ranks either 3 or 4 in the WORLD. This is despite the fact that the Netherlands has a younger population (you want to talk about risk groups, the biggest factor is not race but age) than almost all Western European countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe). Dense population? The country has more deaths than South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong PUT TOGETHER. 75% of deaths in the Netherlands are ALREADY outside intensive care units (i.e. they were denied intensive care), suggesting that the country puts saving money way ahead of saving lives (https://www.nu.nl/...rland-lag-niet-op-ic.html). And what does the WHO say? It says we need more testing. What do the Dutch say? Testing is too expensive and pointless, let's just let the crisis roll in.

It's just incredible that you can somehow look at the situation and think "yeah, we're doing a great job here. Look at how fluffed the US is" (despite the US having 9 times fewer deaths from the disease as a proportion of the population than the NL and despite the fact that the US has rolled out mass testing whereas the NL sits on their asses because testing is too expensive).


Here are some fun articles about the Dutch response, including telling people it will not spread if you don't have symptoms and taking the strategy the UK abandoned
https://www.irishtimes.com/...onavirus-spread-1.4199027
https://www.irishtimes.com/...munity-strategy-1.4204578

This country is literally one of the worst responders to the coronavirus epidemic in the world. This is what makes it so strange to see Dutch people going on about how OTHER countries have messed this up, but then again, this seems like typical Dutch arrogance. Honestly I am so glad my elderly parents are in a country where the attitude when they get sick is not "you're going to die anyway so we won't treat you" (see the article about 75% of patients dying outside of intensive care) and the public isn't so convinced that "oh yeah we're not Southern European it won't happen to us."

Also, in terms of measures. I work for a "semi-government" institution here and the response has been stupid and reactive - everything in the universities thread applies my university. When they finally told us to work from home, it turns out all of these committees for distance learning and coronavirus had not prepared at all so we got a week worth of spam with contradicting instructions on how we are actually meant to teach, with the final conclusion being "figure it out on your own." US universities on the other hand immediately told staff how to switch and they were able to switch immediately.

It could be possible, but how many weeks? if everyone was tested at least one person would still test positive for COVID-19 due to its resistance to going away. and if its more than 20 people, even if you are all 100% fit as with no smoking and the best health imaginable it is really unlikley that no one ended up in hospital even for a few days.

But that's just based on the probability alone..

Do you actually know how to scale up to serious measures though? The Dutch are #5 in Europe in deaths and are about to pass South Korea (the first big crisis outside of China) in deaths in less than a week. It shows that either the Dutch are unable to judge the situation correctly (given that the measures were until Monday looser than in countries with fewer than 5 deaths) or then that the Dutch are making a very economic calculation about an acceptable number of deaths that other countries refuse to make.

Yeah I'm from North of Melbourne, what about you?

Also wow Maki..

ahaha using the Netherlands as an example to laugh at America

here is how expats perceive the Dutch response: https://www.econjobrumors.com/...h-response-to-coronavirus

the restart bonus made wars lame too.

Shouldn't this help warring alliances though? Doesn't this make stonewalling significantly more powerful?

I think disabling the restart bonus completely will lead to less players on the server, which would exacerbate an already existing problem. If the goal is make restarts less powerful (obviously) then maybe tinkering with the restart forumla is the way to go.

Personally, I came back after an extended 2.5 year break a few sets ago. I was just to be for a set or two, but I'm still here for a 3rd set. Mainly because the wars that were arranged were fun, with the restart bonus meaning that after a welcome day off you could be back in the war hitting hard if you managed your country properly. Starting from scratch would dis-encourage restarts because the mentality would be "What is the fluffing point?" and not reward well built countries that died in 10 seconds during a FS. Let players keep some of what they built.

And as Sov said, this will lead to more early wars that will likely end earlier, leaving the lots of players involved in the war not interested in playing the 2nd month of the set.

poor suiciders who get killed, yay for netters since war restarts will be buying more stuff.

keep it up guys, this is entertaining to watch. great to see a close war being fought all the way through. currently SME has the edge though, looking at it. more kills and activity, and NW that's only marginally lower, despite the member count disadvantage.

@Sin are you nervous about 5 from each tag?



/me gets popcorn.

/me thinking if this actually happens next set this should be good

/me thinking Derrick might owe me a thank you for making this damn thread

<3

Disagree. The tip of the spear is no sharper or duller than before but the broad masses of minions are no more. The highlights we have today, the bots, the tools and average levels of knowledge and skill within almost all alliances are at a level far beyond what anyone ever had before. Pound for pound most alliances now are better than the alliances of yore. And this is NOT a good thing. It just means the rigors of war has forced out what was once the base of this game.

Take IX in their hayday with the best war leaders and their tools, of that day and then RANDOMLY cut away 85% of them so you have member pairity with todays SOL, then put them against each others; SOL would crush.
The reason you are putting them on a pedistal is because they had more members and its far far easier to war lead and to make war efficiently with more members. Further, maybe 1 or 2 of the warleaders really was better than they are now, regardless of membership, but that doesn't mean that the average warleader of that time is better or even achieves pairity with todays best.

What elders have is a tight group of veterans who nearly exclusively played for war in the past years and they are not really taking many new people to teach. Being great pound for pound is something only Elders work towards right now, so they are winning a competition in which they are the only participant.
If LaF, SoF and SOL putting their 10 most active and skilled members(in terms of war) in a separate tag and then warring with that tag they would all be challenging Elders.
I don't know who would win that and I suppose it would deppend on when the war happens. Either way I don't see it happening.

Restart bonus gone = kills are stronger
ABs weaker due to this change

I think one of the things qz and pang has stated that they do want is for war to be about more than kills, so this is a step in the wrong direction with what they set out to do.

I'm pretty sure this is a work in progress tho.

You forgot the 50% PS bonus.

Savage is correct.
a suicider is someone who is intentionally going out of their way to harm a clan's game. we aren't talking small numbers of landgrabs here, we are talking the mass missile attacks, AB's, nukes, mass farming etc. the sort of thing a clan will only do to another clan during a war, when yes, the odds of them getting killed in return are fairly good. If you can't tell the difference, then there is something wrong with you.

so tl:dr from what i gather
maybe we really just need to change this into a climate change thread, i heard sui once say fluff the turtles as he drank out of a plastic straw

I quit